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1/2 2 pair facing aggression from woman 350bb deep 1/2 2 pair facing aggression from woman 350bb deep

02-17-2014 , 03:48 PM
Villain (~700): white woman 30 to 40ish, cute face. Abc preflop. Never seen her bluff but she overplays her pairs, sometimes accidentally turning her med hands to bluffs. She value bets too thinly. Her betsizing is not relative to the pot but rather to her hand strength. She is running really hot tonight.

Hero (covers): Young guy. Been playing tight since the table is very loose and spewy but socializing with everyone keeping d game fun. Only hand to showdown is KK where i doubled up. Played with villain before buy No hand history with villain.

Hand

Hero has 76o otb.

Villain utg+2 limps, calling station calls, aggrotard raises to 15, hero calls, bb calls, villain calls, calling station calls

Flop (73): 267ss

Villain leads out for 65, aggrotard calls, hero raises to 180

Bad sizing! Shouldve raised around 280-300ish. I did not think it through.

Villain tanks abit and calls, aggrotard folds.

Turn (497): 8c

Villain confidently leads out for 130.

Hero?
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02-17-2014 , 04:05 PM
I hate saying this.... But i will

Fold pre

On the flop $180 is too small, $280 is way too big. $220 is about right.

She has about $370 back eff on the turn right? Shove
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02-17-2014 , 04:06 PM
First off , what was "aggrotard's" stack size? If he doesn't have 350bb as well it's a fold pre. Even then, it's still probably a fold unless he's willing to put in a lot post flop on a low connected board, which is the only way you're making money from him. As played, call OTT and call most rivers.
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02-17-2014 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
I hate saying this.... But i will

Fold pre

On the flop $180 is too small, $280 is way too big. $220 is about right.

She has about $370 back eff on the turn right? Shove
This pretty much sums it up.
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02-17-2014 , 04:11 PM
any particular reason you called 7.5bb pre with 76o? even if villain is super aggro, i think this is clearly -ev. i would fold 76s too, unless aggro player is very deep and bad enough to stack off 300+bb with overpairs/two pair. the problem is you have a near best possible flop and are still in a marginal spot. if this woman truly sizes her bets based on hand strength and not pot size/relative strength, what does a 130 bet from her mean? what types of hands has she bet 100+ with? in my experience, players who bet like this at 1/2 who make a 100+ bet are very very strong. with remaining stack sizes, it doesnt look like you can ship with much fold equity if she understands pot odds at all. i would call and fold to a big bet/ship on unimproved rivers.
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02-17-2014 , 04:24 PM
if you were afraid of villain's lead, you shouldn't raise the flop.

if you raised the flop, it's for the purpose of getting it in, so jam now.
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02-17-2014 , 04:39 PM
Fold pre.

This is a bit of poor planning. If we feel that we're good on the flop, we should be raising for the purpose of getting it in, which makes jamming the turn trivial. If we're worried that we're already beat (how?) or are uncomfortable stacking off, then we should have taken a different line on the flop.

AP? I don't like any of our options too much. I'd like to think that we're still ahead of her range here ... and we just have to hope that something like QQ will call us when we jam to offest the times we're smoked.
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02-17-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by acerwin
any particular reason you called 7.5bb pre with 76o? even if villain is super aggro, i think this is clearly -ev. i would fold 76s too, unless aggro player is very deep and bad enough to stack off 300+bb with overpairs/two pair. the problem is you have a near best possible flop and are still in a marginal spot. if this woman truly sizes her bets based on hand strength and not pot size/relative strength, what does a 130 bet from her mean? what types of hands has she bet 100+ with? in my experience, players who bet like this at 1/2 who make a 100+ bet are very very strong. with remaining stack sizes, it doesnt look like you can ship with much fold equity if she understands pot odds at all. i would call and fold to a big bet/ship on unimproved rivers.
I shouldve mentioned that the table was playing deep since it was past midnight. I stacked aggrotard with my KK when he tried to bluff me with bottom pair. Aggrotard is deep as well with around 600. I figured 76o otb on a mw pot against people who would overplay overpairs and tpmk+ would be the right environment for the hand.
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02-17-2014 , 06:04 PM
I do realize my mistake in the bet sizing on the flop. The games in my area are really scared of big reraises and i was afraid i wont get any action. Lesson learned though.
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02-17-2014 , 06:15 PM
If she is ABC preflop then its unlikely she has a straight or a better two pair. Also her bet sizing (and your read) makes me think that her bet might be to block for a hand like AKss.

I would just shove.
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02-17-2014 , 06:51 PM
Even with our blockers I somewhat expect to see a set here pretty often if the money gets all in.
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02-17-2014 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by n0npareil
I do realize my mistake in the bet sizing on the flop. The games in my area are really scared of big reraises and i was afraid i wont get any action. Lesson learned though.
I don't mind taking it down on the flop, around $200 in there already. I'd you're getting action you're up against over pair or draw, both of which have decent equity vs your little pair.
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02-18-2014 , 01:46 AM
I shouldnt have called her preflop abc. I believe shes capable of limp calling with sc and small pairs and open raise with 77+, ATs+, KJ+. Im not sure if se would play a combo draw that fast though..
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02-18-2014 , 01:47 AM
Shes only doing this with sets i think where 22 is the only hand i can still beat..
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02-18-2014 , 02:12 AM
You called 76 off pre therefore you are probably not that tight.

Fold pre

What position is V in? This could tell us a little bit about her pre calling range.

$200 raise on the flop and jamming that turn card all day, collect monies, ez game. Never folding 76 again to a $15 raise cuz it is now my lucky hand. Love 1-2, coming back tomorrow.

"Confidently" firing 130 into 435 smells like weakness. I understand you said she bets based off of her hand strength and not pot size so a $130 bet from her would usually scare me. But the fact that you made it $180 on the flop and she bet $130 on the turn, on a crazy wet board, is setting off a lot of alarms. It's very unusual for a V to bet $50 less OTT with their monsters, especially when the board just got a tad wetter. She's not even betting 1/3 pot on a super wet board and trying to look strong. This is her feeler/blocking bet usually. This deep it's pretty gross trying to get 350bb in with 2 pair and get paid off by worse, but this pot is huge now due to your mistake preflop and we have a pretty strong hand against a weak opponent on a draw heavy board. I think the best play is to jam here and hop on the variance express.

We either double up and never fold 76 again cuz its the best hand ever or curse the poker gods when we run into terrible played sets, vow to never play no limit style texas hold em again because they're such donks and chase monies at blackjack

Last edited by jsmo0th10; 02-18-2014 at 02:25 AM.
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02-18-2014 , 03:30 AM
Shove.

And 3b aggrotard to $45 pre or fold.
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02-18-2014 , 08:16 PM
So we should bloat the pot even more pre with 7 high against an aggo tard who is like never folding to our 3bet
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