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# of bb isn't an issue. His game obviously plays like 2-5. What matters is SPR, # of players who saw the flop, wetness of the board, V profiles and hero image. The # of players who saw the flop makes the spot less than ideal and the SPR is marginal. But for the image and V profile we have a big hand, so keep his range wide, likely commit, and cross fingers. It's a high variance, +EV spot.

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08-17-2015 , 02:19 PM

#27

suited fours

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

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Originally Posted by kookiemonster

Yeah. pf was not planned out at all, in the unlikely case that someone else called. I was, of course, expecting to get HU with the shortstacker with all that lovely dead money in there.

Surpised nobody has mentioned it, but hero betting $120 into a $333 pot on flop is LOL bad. Pretty sure that is what induced his shove. With a big hand it might have been a good line.

I need to go back and read some more PNLHE re: planning, pot commitment, etc.

the "pretty laughable" feedback may have been directed toward the post flop sizing among other things. PNLHE can be overused, obviously. But I think it helps in keeping the thinking straight in situations like hand 3 and main hand.

props for putting hand 3 out there. I prefer to pretend I never butcher a hand.

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08-17-2015 , 02:42 PM

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Javanewt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,775

I am in the call and evaluate camp based on what's been posted. No need to gii this deep with a pair, but just can't fold against this guy yet.

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08-17-2015 , 02:55 PM

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Beady_Bear

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 302

I would call here - considering previous hands, too strong to fold. Not raising as we could be crushed and I'd hate to face a 3 bet.

I think that's consensus anyway having read the comments.

Interestingly though we crush V's range assuming he has any two suited spades (including them all, he called with 67ss previously to a big raise), any pocket pair (he could donk as mentioned as a bluff with 22, 33), as well as 9x, 8x etc, in addition to 67 (though I actually discount this as I'd expect a check rase).

Against that range we're actually at 82.5%. So never folding. Call and evaluate turn. Only calling to pot control. Though

Results?

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08-17-2015 , 03:18 PM

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Jamitontheriver

adept

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,137

Can someone explain to me what evaluating turn means in this context? Are we just hoping that the maniac gives up on the turn? Are we planning on stacking off on a good runout so long as maniac goes b/b/b? Other than binking an ace I have a hard time believing that there is any real value to seeing the turn unless we have a soul read and are willing to call maniac down the whole way.

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08-17-2015 , 03:43 PM

#31

suited fours

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,143

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Originally Posted by Jamitontheriver

We shouldn't be folding here most of the time. I'm actually torn between calling and raising small to induce. The only thing to evaluate is how crappy the turn card is for our hand.

As long as we're usually getting it in while keeping the main V range wide, we're doing it right, imo.

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