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04-11-2019 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jdr0317
Raise pre. 77 is a good hand and you're in MP. What's this limping?

Folding here is possibly the worst. I'd fold if villain shows me 65 or 88.

Edit: The "limp pre" crowd is out. Okay fine. If the table is legitimately like 75/0 type players then sure, limp and start piling the $ in postflop if there's a 7. Or if they limp J4o and call 3 huge bets on J7X-Y-Z then sure. But if people are raising limps and not 3 betting enough, the limp is costing you, since you'll often be playing pots for more $ than if you just put in a raise yourself preflop.

I mean if people are really so bad that we can just set mine to this lol of a level, then fine, disregard what I'm saying.
Dude, believe me when I say, you can call this place fort knox. You have tons of crazy action junkies, and even some nits that fold AKs to a raise preflop. I mean seriously. Variance can be high because of it, but on a normal night, I'm taking home at least 100 BB's, and I've taken as high as 500 BB's. Only have lost a couple of times, and this last session was one of them.
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04-11-2019 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
Dude, believe me when I say, you can call this place fort knox. You have tons of crazy action junkies, and even some nits that fold AKs to a raise preflop. I mean seriously. Variance can be high because of it, but on a normal night, I'm taking home at least 100 BB's, and I've taken as high as 500 BB's. Only have lost a couple of times, and this last session was one of them.
Then preflop probably doesn't even matter (as long as this means they aren't paying attention when you deviate w/ strength).

I say that dudes like this come from the school of "how much is it?" Doesn't matter how it became a certain price. They just call it.

Another option is just raising ginormously big to a point where you only get 1-2 callers. I mean, 77 is a pretty good hand in a low SPR situation vs a fish.
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04-11-2019 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DannyAIC
Well, here's my thought process about it. Maybe it is flawed, but it mostly comes from experience and maybe it's just negative reinforcement. I'm always willing to learn.

The way I see it, building a pot by open raising with a mediocre hand with very little equity gets us in trouble more often than not. We have a 12% chance to hit our set on the flop. And then we're playing in the dark when our opponents have super wide ranges preflop. I just don't see the point of doing that at a table with a majority of weak players. I play small pairs to set mine, and no other reasons. At a table full of strong players at higher limits, I raise sometimes as small as 55 with a much greater frequency than I do at a table like this.


As far as initiative goes, I agreed. I have no problem with that. And I've been kicking myself for not betting the turn. Even though it's likely the result would have been the same. It's almost impossible to fold.

I just thought him calling me some passive fish because I limped preflop in MP with 77 in one hand that I talked about was a HUGE assumption and pretty silly.
i totally get where youre coming from man (or woman) just gotta take all the comments with a grain of salt. i dont think its horrible to open limp this hand if were not very comfortable bringing a weak PP post flop against these player pools. if our logic is were strictly set mining thats fine but were gunna be in some tricky spots post when hands go multi way and we face aggression when we hold a hand like the one you have here. we also have to remember just because people are incredibly wide pre doesnt necessarily mean they will continue to remain wide post flop. raising at least gives us a little more credibility post flop as you can represent a stronger portion of hands post. yes 65s is probably not going to fold to your raise here so in this instance the outcome might not have mattered too much but if v calls 65 he also has 22 and 87. i dont necessarily expect villain to be bluffing very often here but i think we beat too much of his range to fold. one side note i think we can go larger on the flop raise. especially seeing vil had 65 here if we go 55 vs 70/75 are they really going to fold. lets at least punish them to draw against us. is your HH correct? did action go check by you check by cuttof button raise or was it check by you cutoff bet button call you raise? if its just the button raise then i think 55 is fine but with another call in between im gunna size up a little
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04-11-2019 , 06:33 PM
Just bet all streets and don't fold. AP it doesn't have to be a straight once you check, but you also have to consider how many worse hands in a limped pot actually just put in $250 after having been check raised and you block top 2p type hands. He's just real heavy 65 once all this goes down, but you need to bet turn always before any of this happened.

Cannot get into the raise/limp pre argument over and over. I can tell you that if you were playing on my dollar, and I saw you limp 77 and ck turn then we would be having a long poker conversation.
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