Hand 1:

I've been very active at the table because I'm raising suited one gappers and suited two gappers because the table is fairly deep.

Hero (BB) ~650

Villain (UTG+1) ~270

one limper. Villain raises to 17. One call in LP. I call from the BB with AdTc. UTG limper folds.

Info:

The villain has been on a hand heater. He's been seeing the top of his range almost every orbit. I saw him show down a 5 high flush from the button. He's positionally aware and a thinking player. He has not gotten out of line from EP. Post-flop the villain has gotten out of line. After a few orbits of watching his game, I called him down with bottom pair on a low board, from the button, after he check-shoved the turn with AK, having no pair and no draw. I was getting 3.5:1 on a call. Villain also showed earlier that he was capable of double barreling AQo with no pair and no draw on low boards.

Flop Pot:

17+17+17+1+2=54

Ah Th Kc

I lead the flop for 51. Villain calls. LP caller folds.

Turn Pot:

51+51+54=156

7h

I lead the turn for 120. Villain shoves for 200.

Pot: 120+200+156= 476

Hero must call 80.

If we assume Villain is never bluffing this is the stove range that I get:

Board: Ah Th Kc 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 04.545% 04.55% 00.00% 24 0.00 { AdTc }
Hand 1: 95.455% 95.45% 00.00% 504 0.00 { AcAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, TdTs, AcKc, AsKs, KhQh, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AsKd, AsKh }


If villain is semi-bluffing too:

Board: Ah Th Kc 7h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.058% 33.06% 00.00% 320 0.00 { AdTc }
Hand 1: 66.942% 66.94% 00.00% 648 0.00 { AcAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QcQh, QdQh, QhQs, TdTs, AcKc, AsKs, KhQh, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AsKd, AsKh, AcQh, AhQs, AsQh, KcQh, KdQh, KhQc, KhQd, KhQs, KsQh }

How often do we think that Villain can be semi-bluffing versus having a value hand? Can hero call?


My thoughts:

I really feel like I should just check fold the turn, but before the hand I LITERALLY TOLD MYSELF that I was folding unless I hit two pair. I also told myself that I was felting if I hit two pair on the flop. What kind of range should continue on the turn if we decide that we are check folding two pair on the turn? What kinds of hands are we looking for preflop that we don't get soul-owned that flat preflop? I ask this question specifically because 3-betting this player is useless when he is in EP because he is likely to 4-bet jam. He is also about 135bb deep.



Hand 2:

This hand takes place at another table. After Hand 1 the Villain moved to a 2/5 table where he spent the rest of the day playing. The table is deep, and I have a huge fish to my left. There is another fish that I valued towned for 3 streets with TPTK. My image is horrible to the table because I've been raising suited two gappers and suited one gappers since all the fish are deep.

Hero is in the (CO) with TcTs ~521

Villain 1 (Btn) ~470

Villain 2 (sb) ~230

One limper in Hijack. Hero raises to 7. Villain 1 calls. Villain 2 calls. Hijack calls. BB calls.

Flop Pot:

7*5=35

Ac 8c 6d

Sb and BB. Hijack also checks. Hero bets 30. Button and SB. Call.

Turn Pot:

35+30+30+30= 125

7c

SB checks. Hero Bets 60. Button Calls. SB moves in for 192. Hero must call 132. The button has not acted yet. What do you do?

Pot so far: 125+60+60+192 = 437

My thoughts:

The SB and the button never have JJ+ of any combinations because they have shown that they will 3-bet those hands preflop. The sb and the button also never have an AK, AQ, AJ with the club hand because the sb would have raised the flop, and the button would have 3-bet those hands preflop and raised the flop. The button can never have TT or 99 because he snap 3-bets those preflop. These are the ranges that I pokerstoved for both of them versus my hand:

Board: Ac 8c 6d 7c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 29.158% 28.86% 00.29% 93152 948.00 { TcTs }
Hand 1: 49.468% 48.55% 00.91% 156696 2949.50 { 9c9d, 9c9h, 9c9s, 8d8h, 8d8s, 8h8s, 7d7h, 7d7s, 7h7s, 6c6h, 6c6s, 6h6s, KcQc, QcJc, 9c6c, 8d7d, 8h7h, 8s7s, 8d6d, 8h6h, 8s6s, 7d6d, 7h6h, 7s6s, 7d5d, 7h5h, 7s5s, 6c5c, 6c3c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 8d7h, 8d7s, 8h7d, 8h7s, 8s7d, 8s7h, 8d6h, 8d6s, 8h6d, 8h6s, 8s6d, 8s6h, 7d6c, 7d6h, 7d6s, 7h6c, 7h6d, 7h6s, 7s6c, 7s6d, 7s6h, 54o }
Hand 2: 21.375% 20.17% 01.21% 65085 3897.50 { 8d8h, 8d8s, 8h8s, 7d7h, 7d7s, 7h7s, 6d6h, 6d6s, 6h6s, Kd8d, Kh8h, Ks8s, Qd8d, Qh8h, Qs8s, Jd8d, Jh8h, Js8s, Td9d, Th9h, Ts9s, Td8d, Th8h, Ts8s, Td7d, Th7h, Ts7s, 9d8d, 9h8h, 9s8s, 9d7d, 9h7h, 9s7s, 9d6d, 9h6h, 9s6s, 8d7d, 8h7h, 8s7s, 8d6d, 8h6h, 8s6s, 8d5d, 8h5h, 8s5s, 7d6d, 7h6h, 7s6s, 7d5d, 7h5h, 7s5s, 7d4d, 7h4h, 7s4s, 6c5c, 6c4c, 6s4s, 6c3c, 5c4c, 5c3c, 5c2c, 4c3c, 4c2c, 3c2c, Jc8d, Jc8h, Jc8s, Jd8h, Jd8s, Jh8d, Jh8s, Js8d, Js8h, Td9c, Td9h, Td9s, Th9c, Th9d, Th9s, Ts9c, Ts9d, Ts9h, Tc8d, Tc8h, Tc8s, Td8h, Td8s, Th8d, Th8s, Ts8d, Ts8h, 9c8d, 9c8h, 9c8s, 9d8h, 9d8s, 9h8d, 9h8s, 9s8d, 9s8h, 9c7d, 9c7h, 9c7s, 9d7h, 9d7s, 9h7d, 9h7s, 9s7d, 9s7h, 96o, 87o, 8d6c, 8d6h, 8d6s, 8h6c, 8h6d, 8h6s, 8s6c, 8s6d, 8s6h, 7d6c, 7d6h, 7d6s, 7h6c, 7h6d, 7h6s, 7s6c, 7s6d, 7s6h, 7d5c, 7d5h, 7d5s, 7h5c, 7h5d, 7h5s, 7s5c, 7s5d, 7s5h, 65o, 54o }


The button has tons of 8 and 6 combinations in his hand. He also has some small flush combinations in his hand. Hero has 29% equity after the SB check/jams and the button has not acted yet. Should hero flat or move all-in to push out the button's equity share? With the range that I have given the button I have him calling 59% of the time and folding 41% of the time giving up the $60 that he called on the turn. The button really never believes that I have a hand, but the action in front of him should generally have him folding his range. The button even sighed when the SB moved in.

Re-evaluating the ranges to where he calls the turn. I have 27%. The sb has 43% and the button has %30 roughly.

When I think about the range that I normally have in this spot. My entire range including semi-bluffing is about 29% equity. I'm not really sure, but I feel like I should not be betting the turn even when my hands have a lot of equity to make sure that I don't value town myself with my semi-bluffing hands because I don't come close to %50 equity with my range of hands. The problem that I'm having is that I'll have close to 40% equity with my range of hands if I can push the button out of the hand.

Both hands are played pretty bad TBH.
Hand 1 is a pretty easy fold pf, unless villain is a huge maniac. Turn bet is pretty thin, as your flop bet is so big it prob prices out QQ/JJ, so you're only ahead of prob AQ maybe AJ.

Hand 2 you need to raise more preflop and when that flop comes it's c/f time and maybe fire on a safe turn if it gets checked to you again. 5 to the flop, someone probably has an Ace. I didn't look too closely, but I'm pretty sure your stove ranges are fairly optimistic. Are they really calling 30 on the flop with bottom end of the gutshot? Do they both never have top pair or aces up? I probably still fold for the 132, but you sort of spewed a lot of chips postflop here IMO. Looks like you got a case of the 3-barrell bluff with no plan syndrome. I mean read what you wrote and ask if this is a good time to just 3-barrell bluff..."There is another fish that I valued towned for 3 streets with TPTK" "My image is horrible to the table". So people don't fold top pair good kicker or worse over 3 streets of betting, and you're image is horrible, so why are you trying to bluff all these calling stations (which is I assume what you're doing with TT)?

As a word of advice, I would limit my threads to one hand per. Especially if they are as long as the ones that you have provided. Kudos on providing some of your in depth though on each street and afterwards, however. I could only get through with reading the first hand, fold pre. As you have played it, you have committed yourself with a bet especially with the sizing you chose ott, nothing left to do know. I think leading on the flop is bad. I would check call and evaluate the turn card. By donking the flop, you seem hell bent on getting all of the money in as soon as possible and like or not that flop smacks your opponents range pretty hardy. I think overall you have just gotten yourself into a jam by calling pf. what are the stakes anyway? this seems like a huge open?

Hand 1: ATo... complete garbage hand that you should never call with in this spot pf to an 8.5x raise in the BB.

Hand 2: wtf... flop cbet way too big. Turn easy check back and hope to spike the gutter/flush. You have 2 calls on an Ace high flop... there is zero chance your two opponents are folding to further aggression, take the free card ffs.

I'm fine with the $7 open, it really depends on the table.

Hand1

Fold Preflop

Postflop is more or less fine. Alternative line would be c/c, c/c against Preflop aggressor.


Hand2

Raise more Pre (~14-20)

CBet Flop is close - I would check behind against the number of callers, As Played Fold to the raise

Turn is a clear Check behind

Hand 1:

I see the reason to fold preflop given my read in the first hand.

My Thoughts:

Check/calling seems like a much better line given that I keep AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, and KQ in the hand. Villain is highly likely to have these hands too in this spot when he bets because he knows that I station a lot of flush draws in this spot. Since the villain was going crazy about seeing my mucked hand while the pot was shipped to him he probably perceived my range to be something like QJ with hearts or another suited connecter hand with hearts. This hand would have been sick if I hit another ace because I think the villain actually folds all ace turns if I bet and he doesn't have the ace. I should have definitely given more thought to checking because the villain actually stayed away from playing hands with me (even when he was in position) after the first hand where I snapped him with bottom pair on an obvious check-raise bluff given the range he had preflop.

Hand 2:

I agree with checking the flop or betting smaller. I also agree with checking the turn.

My thoughts:

I see the merit of checking the flop and betting less on the flop and turn. However, I know both villains are hard pressed to have a better hand than mine on this flop even though there is an ace. If I check the flop then I can surely get two streets of value even when the turn brings in the club because I know they have a lot more hands that are lower flush draws. Their flush draws are generally lower than a Ten for the reasons stated and generally backdoor flush draws because they call so many unsuited connector type hands.

I definitely agree with checking the turn after the club hits. When the club does not hit I see no reason to keep from betting. I'm definitely getting too much action from the small blind given the range that I put him on on these turns. A check behind would most likely make the button bet because he's been known to make bluffs in spots like this with bottom pair or hands that have very little to no showdown value. I think the button bets around 60-40% of the time and checks 60-40% of the time. The interesting thing about checking the turn, given the reads that I have, is that the button is definitely betting far less than I'm betting. Knowing that the small blind is check/raising all in on the turn with a lot of low two pair hands rather than sets, because he check/raises sets on the flop, I might be able to call. The small blind is not generally check/raising all-in to the button's bet because it's going to be so small. The button is probably betting 24-35 rather than the 60 that I shoveled into the pot.

I didn't account for the small blind not having sets on the flop when I did the ranges last night. I also didn't account for the small blind not having two pair on the flop because he check/raises those two. I did account for the small blind having two pair on the turn though. I think the ranges that I did really give me the worst cases scenario knowing how often both are super weak here, so in retrospect leaving in sets and two pairs from the flop is probably better for figuring my equity versus tougher villains.


Last comment:

Thanks for giving all the feedback

Hand 1 is an easy fold pre.

As played it's a sigh call but you are behind so often.

Hand 2 I would often 3 bet this in position against bad players whose raising range is wide. As played it is a set miner against that many people.

Betting that flop is lighting money on fire five ways. Someone is calling you with an ace often, plus a flush draw isn't folding once "priced in"! Peel a card and maybe bet the turn if checked to if it's a blank.

Turn is a check/fold against 2 villains.

Hand 1: super easy call.
Hand 2: super easy fold.

Hand 1: not sure why we're potting it (just make it 35) but when villain doesn't raise our donk on the flop, I'm putting him on AQ or AJ more often than AK. I'm probably going for a c/r on the turn because I think this villain will semi-bluff jj or qq here often and try to protect his Ax hands from a flush draw. But the turn barrel is okay I guess. In any case, there is no way we are folding this turn with all the money out there.

Hand 2: wtf??? I have no idea why we barrelled the turn (we probably shouldn't be betting the flop into 4 people) but we're crushed by his range and there is another player we have to worry about. His range is mostly xx or Ax.