Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call?

02-12-2016 , 12:43 PM
1/2 NL - $60 min $300 max
End of the night, but still full table

V1($100) BB: Middle Aged Asian who was pretty tight throughout the night, but he's clearly getting tired and bored. The last 45 minutes or so I've seen him limp 85o UTG and overlimp in MP with 92o. When he is in hands, he plays them aggressively post flop. He's raised me off of two hands in the last five hours (neither were c/r).

V2 MP1 ($113): 20s White Guy. Has only been sitting for 90 minutes or so, but seems to be pretty passive. I haven't seen him raise many hands pre or post. He has had a maniac to his left which may have something to do with it, but overall, I give any raise he puts in a lot of weight.

Hero CO ($550): 30s White Guys. 90% of the pots i'm entering, it's with a raise. I've overlimped in LP 2-3 times in the last five hours with small pocket pairs or suited connectors/gappers. Most likely winning image as i just busted another V for $100 value betting all three streets with Aces full of Fours.

OTH

folds to V2 who limps, fold to HJ who limps, Hero limps the CO with A4, button folds, sb folds, V1 raises bb to $12. V2, HJ, Hero all call.

Pot: ($49)
Flop: Q98

V2 checks, V1 bets $25, HJ folds, Hero calls, V2 raises to $50, V1 shoves for $101 total. As hero is thinking, V2 has his remaining stack in his hand held out straight over the betting line ready to drop it in after hero acts.

Hero calls. Thoughts?
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Quote
02-12-2016 , 01:15 PM
So if we know V2 is calling for sure, it will be $76 for us to win $251 (100+113+1+12+25), so we are getting 3.3:1 on our money, which means we need 23% equity to call.

given that we have 20% equity even if we were up against the worst case scenario of JsTs and 9s9x, and have 24% equity against JxTx and a set (and we obviously have more equity than this against their ranges as a whole), this is a call.
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Quote
02-12-2016 , 01:25 PM
The limp/call preflop is marginal at best. Not terrible but we'd prefer more money behind with this hand.

V1 can easily have AA, KK, QQ, 88, 99. Let's conservatively say V2 has TJ, KQ, AQ, 88, 99.

Pot size is 49 + 25 (H's call) + 101 + 113 (let's put V2's whole stack in the pot) = 288. You need to call 88 to win 288, so we need 30.5% equity.

Versus those very strong ranges we have 30.1% equity (http://propokertools.com/simulations...2C99&s=generic).

The more often they have sets, the worse off we are. This is a break-even call if V's can never be bluffing. If they have bluffs, it's a clear call.
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Quote
02-12-2016 , 01:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thetruewheel
The limp/call preflop is marginal at best. Not terrible but we'd prefer more money behind with this hand.

V1 can easily have AA, KK, QQ, 88, 99. Let's conservatively say V2 has TJ, KQ, AQ, 88, 99.

Pot size is 49 + 25 (H's call) + 101 + 113 (let's put V2's whole stack in the pot) = 288. You need to call 88 to win 288, so we need 30.5% equity.

Versus those very strong ranges we have 30.1% equity (http://propokertools.com/simulations...2C99&s=generic).

The more often they have sets, the worse off we are. This is a break-even call if V's can never be bluffing. If they have bluffs, it's a clear call.
Disregarding some of the stack size math which I think got a little confusing in the OP, the way you calculated equity is off.

$88 to win $288 is 3.27:1, which means we only need 23.4% equity (1/4.27) to break even.
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Quote
02-12-2016 , 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
Disregarding some of the stack size math which I think got a little confusing in the OP, the way you calculated equity is off.

$88 to win $288 is 3.27:1, which means we only need 23.4% equity (1/4.27) to break even.
D'oh, thank you.
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Quote
02-12-2016 , 10:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thetruewheel
The limp/call preflop is marginal at best. Not terrible but we'd prefer more money behind with this hand.

V1 can easily have AA, KK, QQ, 88, 99. Let's conservatively say V2 has TJ, KQ, AQ, 88, 99.

Pot size is 49 + 25 (H's call) + 101 + 113 (let's put V2's whole stack in the pot) = 288. You need to call 88 to win 288, so we need 30.5% equity.

Versus those very strong ranges we have 30.1% equity (http://propokertools.com/simulations...2C99&s=generic).

The more often they have sets, the worse off we are. This is a break-even call if V's can never be bluffing. If they have bluffs, it's a clear call.
Thanks for this. Pre is definitely very very thin. As my win rate has been improving, i've been limp/folding these hands or just mucking outright a lot more. If Vs were much deeper i think it's more justifiable. I just want to make sure i'm not being results oriented with my thought process on the hand.
Two players all in on the flop, is this a sigh call? Quote

      
m