Villain was a young Chinese kid, seemed very passive - limping/calling a lot pre but rarely if ever raising - and had only ever shown down decent hands in the 90 minutes or so we had been playing together. Table was passive.

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Hero has A10 and raises to 8.

SB and BB (villain) call.

Flop.

A106

Checks to hero who bets $15. Villain tanks for maybe 20 seconds and min-raises. Hero calls.

Turn

J

Villain leads 15, hero raises to 45, villain shoves very quickly for about $160 more. Hero?

when you raise turn, you should have already decided what you are doing vs a shove. if you raise turn, you are doing it with the intention to get it in and believe that V can overplay AK here or something, or a combo draw like KQhh, QJhh.

Given description, I think I'm more than happy to just call his weak turn bet and call any reasonable river bet. Doesn't sound like the villain to be raising flop with a hand that we beat.

Don't raise turn. With those reads, I'm folding as played.

Turn is a weird line by villain after min raising on flop. I think I appreciate the sizing given to us and flat the small bet.

As played, I feel the question is more on you. Were you raising for value and planning to fold or raise/calling? It doesn't seem you thought this far enough ahead and simply attacked a weak bet.

get it in on the flop.

As played, I mean... the kid is passive, it's obvious he thinks he has a hand, it's just not super clear what that means. Are A6 and JT in his range for this line? Is KQo? If KQo is in his flop range we have to flop, that explodes the combinations in his value range that beat us badly. I could see the flop raise being AK/AQ/A-weird, also. Less so the turn, which screams "I IMPROVED."

I think we're losing but have a marginal turn call at ~3:5 pot odds.
AA, TT, 66, AK, AJ, AT, A6, JT, KQhh... it's pretty marginal though, and that might be wider than plausible?

highly unlikely he is min raising flop with KQ or TJ. Whatever he has, he likely had it on the flop/

Reasonable range for a loose passive player given turn action: TT, 66, AT, A6, T6s, AJ.

On the flop I would have been pretty happy to get it in. The way it played out on the turn though, I think it's probably a fold. As we can discount the A6/T6 portion of his range a bit as there's a good chance he slows down with those after you raise the turn.

"and had only ever shown down decent hands in the 90 minutes or so we had been playing together"

I don't take these type of posts seriously if you're going to say this and not say what 2 cards he had shown down.


Turn is a call, prior to the shove.

Once you raise, it's a fold and a poorly played turn by Hero.

Don't raise the turn. Just call.

His line is super weird. There aren't many draws because you block the Th. You lose to 6 combos (5 set and 1 KhQh), beat 2 A6s, and chop 4 AT. I guess he could be going nuts with AK, but unlikely. Generally when passive players get aggressive, they have a very nutted hand. Fold the turn because you're usually chopping or crushed.

I disagree with this, I understand where you are coming from but it is totally arbitrary whether we decid how we're going to react to a three bet before or after the bet is actually made. Also you're allowed to raise for value/protection and then fold to further aggression - not that it was necessarily the best line in this particular spot.

A few thoughts:

-Fact that I have the 10 in my hand inclined me towards the flop call
and then call down rather than 3 bet gii.

-My plan was to call down most run-outs but his small turn bet threw me a little and seemed to suggest he had either a weakish value hand or FD. I don't think a raise is terrible given such an assumption but obviously that assumption was false.

- I folded but some of his later play made me regret the decision, danger of making big assumptions about low stakes villains of only a few hours of play, I guess.

- Fold was made clearer by the fact he was happy to show his neighbours his hand whilst I was still tanking.

Thanks for the comments.

I think this seals it for me. Guys never bluff and show people around them while you still have action. Good fold.