Two Pair on River - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Two Plus Two Forums Poker Strategy Live No-Limit Hold’em Cash

Two Pair on River

Post Reply Subscribe

...

05-17-2016 , 07:27 AM

danhendo888

self-banned

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 285

2/5
Ten Handed
100bbs eff

Just sat down, no reads on V (UTG, 40s Male). Seen him around for years but never played on the same table.

V raises pre to $25, I call with A

from UTG+1

Flop (~$60) Q

V bets $35, I call

Turn ($130) 6

Check, check.

River ($130) A

V bets $110, I ...?

Quote

05-17-2016 , 07:37 AM

6betfold

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,388

Fold (or 3b) pre. AQo is a horrible hand multi-way.

AP, very hard to fold top two on river, but he would need to have complete air for you to be good here, as I doubt AK is betting this big OTR. Possible but unlikely. Might be chopping with AQ, but that's pretty much it. Think you see sets pretty often here with an occassionally slowplayed flush.

Guess I'd call in real time and be ready to muck.

Quote

05-17-2016 , 09:30 AM

QuadJ

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,237

Without a read on villain you just have to make a guess and go with it. Villain could be betting worse for value, could be bluffing or could have a big hand, no telling which.

Quote

05-17-2016 , 09:44 AM

DeathCabForTootie

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 5,722

Without reads I'm folding pre to a MAWG's UTG open. Assuming a tightish opening range he should only have AKhh/KThh we are behind. He could have a scared set that's now betting the turn but I'd guess he'd bet smaller as a blocking bet OTR. If I'd have to guess we are up against AQ/AJ much more often. I would jam to get value from the AJ combos or get a rare hero fold from AQ.

KT would be interesting and not a hand I'd imagine a MAWG would open up front. If he's got it he's got it, pay him and move on.

Quote

05-17-2016 , 09:55 AM

Nice_Guy_Eddie

veteran

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,135

I'd probably 3! pre. You want to get in position on the raiser. A fold isn't terrible because he should have a strong range utg. Tough spot with AQo.

I think you played well post flop. I'd call the river bet. AK is a very likely holding, as is AQ and possibly AJ. I'd expect sets to bet again on the turn. Really bad luck if you lose to AA. I think you're good most of the time. If you were a little shallower, I'd shove. I don't think I'd risk 2/3 of my stack shoving which should only be called by better.

Quote

05-17-2016 , 10:05 AM

Javanewt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,770

Against unknown UTG raise pre, I just fold. 3bet is OK, too.

As played, flop is fine, but I fold river. I think at best you are chopping. The only hands we really beat are AK or AJ, but I doubt he plays AK this way -- and does he raise AJ from UTG. Maybe, but more info would help.

Just fold, never show, and move on.

Quote

05-17-2016 , 04:13 PM

jake

adept

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 796

Peoples here def play tighter than my tables. Never ever folding AQ pre IP to a player I have no reads on. And yes, I'd consider 3 bet.

OTR - I'm calling all day. I could easily expect to see AK, AQ or AJ here. AKhh, AThh, KThh, or KTxx are all possible too but so are many airballs (KQ, TT)

Quote

05-18-2016 , 04:26 AM

6betfold

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,388

Results?

Quote

05-18-2016 , 11:07 AM

MIB211

veteran

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 3,010

Surprised so many people want to fold river against an unknown. We're beating AK, AJ and any other Ax that he c-bet river with. I assume most of his sets and made flushes are betting turn, as is AA, so the main hand I'm worried about here is KT.

I think river is closer to a raise to try to get value from two pair or maybe AK rather than a fold.

Quote

05-18-2016 , 11:28 AM

#10

Koss

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,092

Quote:

Originally Posted by jake

I think saying AQ IP is oversimplifying it. UTG vs UTG+1 is a much different set of ranges and dynamics then CO vs. BTN. AQ doesnt hold up well vs an UTG range, because when you hit it will be tough to get paid by worse. Plus 8 others are still behind you. I probably just fold pre.

River I call pretty comfortably. Our hand is under repped, and most hands that have us beat can be discounted since he didnt barrel the turn. Lots of AJ thru AK that take this line.

Quote

05-18-2016 , 11:52 AM

#11

Javanewt

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 12,770

You think AK and AJ (or AQ) take this line with the flush out there and H just calling flop? Seems like an awful big river bet in that case. Maybe if V has Ah (let's hope there's not another heart in his hand).

Quote

05-18-2016 , 01:39 PM

#12

Koss

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 7,092

Yes, they slow down when the flush hits, but when we check it back they think we dont have it so they value bet their tptk or weaker 2 par otr. Or maybe they are just making a nut blocker bluff. Im not folding top 2 here.

Quote

Post Reply Subscribe

...