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11-22-2018 , 01:55 PM
1/3 NL home game. It was my first time at this game and I had no history with any of the players. It played like a standard 1/3 game, but there were lots of deep stacks with about 8K total on the table.

I start the hand with $200 and everyone covers me.

Preflop: Four limps in field. I look down at 86o in sb and limp (prob a mistake). BB checks.

Flop ($18): A65 rainbow. checks through

Turn ($18): A658 bringing flush draw. I check because there are some very aggressive players behind me. I'm not sure if I should be leading here. MP bets $8, CO and BTN call.

Is raising over repping my hand here? If I do raise, how much should I make it?

Last edited by goth money; 11-22-2018 at 02:08 PM.
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11-22-2018 , 02:27 PM
I'd bet the turn, since everyone checked the Ace in a limped pot (not checking to raiser) and not much changed, except that there are more draws and plenty of bad rivers.

AP, you are in the weaker portion of your CR hands, but I wouldn't really worry about over repping or not. You're trying to get action from draws and maybe a stubborn Ax. Whether they should be or not, some players will be a bit suspicious. Others just have good draws. If someone has a straight and they stuff it's not that bad to have to fold a 4 outer.

I probably make it $25 more. Then on many neutral rivers, bet small, hoping for some kind of crying call.
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11-22-2018 , 02:38 PM
I'm fine with preflop. It sucks playing OOP, and even moreso if all the limpers are decent, but we're getting a great price to basically ~nutmine so long as we don't expect the BB to raise very often.

I'm also checking (to fold) this flop.

Middle two pair on a straightening board is a weakish hand (especially with 3 others still interested in the pot on the turn), so I'm not really looking to perhaps overplay by check/raising. I'd usually just donk and go from there. Otherwise, I'd just check/call and evaluate what happens on the river (probably donk/folding smallish on a blank).

ETA: It's kinda opponent dependent too, but for the most part I play two pair hands fairly passively and aim for mostly smallish pots. If we start raising, against better opponents we usually end up folding worse and only getting better to continue (with the exception of draws, which admittedly there are on this board). If you have someone in the mix that is so bad that they aren't going to release a lol Ax+nodraw to this action then it makes more sense to get more aggressive.

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Last edited by gobbledygeek; 11-22-2018 at 02:43 PM.
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11-22-2018 , 11:50 PM
Kind of blown away that GG is fine with the limp pre. It ought to be a fold at 1/3 where you have to put in two thirds of a bet, but it's not that big a deal. I'd rather limp it on the button than limp it in the SB, and I don't limp it OTB.

Lead turn because x/r would be overplaying and having it check through would suck. The problem with checkraising is that you want to target sort of mediumly-strong hands with it, but everyone denied having those hands when the flop checked through. Occasionally you'll get a draw to pay some extra or something, but most of the time everyone will either have weak hands that just fold, or they'll have a strong hand because they slowplayed 66 or hit gin with 97 or something.
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11-24-2018 , 05:15 PM
At 1/2 I'd limp this pre, at 1/3 probably not. I'm actually tighter from the SB at 1/3 than I am on the button.

I'm just going to bet the turn when it checks through. Raising is definitely not over-repping though. This pot is still being played very weakly. There are a lot of 7x hands out there you want to charge. I would have probably lead $15-$20 on this turn. As played, $50 seems about right here. The river can get tricky.
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11-24-2018 , 05:28 PM
Pre is whatever.

Lead turn.

As played. CO and Button are weak. MP is still uncapped. Tons of draws out there.

$42 in pot. Calling is bad. Allowing everyone to realize their equity. Putting us into guessing game on river.

Raising to $48.
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11-26-2018 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Kind of blown away that GG is fine with the limp pre. It ought to be a fold at 1/3 where you have to put in two thirds of a bet, but it's not that big a deal. I'd rather limp it on the button than limp it in the SB, and I don't limp it OTB.
I'm overlimping this on the Button pretty much 100% of the time. I'm really looking to see flops for cheap in position with speculative hands. However, if all your opponents are wizards or you're not confident with where your postflop skillz in position stack up, certainly nothing wrong with folding either. It's possible I overestimate some of these crappy offsuit hands (74o on the Button, yup, I'm seeing a cheap flop) but if it's a mistake it's likely a very small one. And for meta game purposes it lets others know I'm still playing (which is helpful thanks to my nit EP/MP standards), especially if I get to table my hand.

In the SB, I agree it's a lot dicier. If all the limpers are wizards or we don't feel great against this field OOP, fine, I'm totally ok with dumping. But I'm mostly trying to see a cheap flop and with only one other to act preflop that looks like it's going to happen so I'm willing to take that small risk. But being OOP I might be overestimating my profitability here, so certainly not hating on a fold, and again I'm willing to take this small risk for almost meta game benefits (I'm still at the table and playing hands) alone.

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