300eff - Pretty passive table so far

H - no showdowns, lost a small pot earlier but nothing to note really i should have a tight image.

PFR - semi serious rec player - saw him open light in EP (eg 65cc)

V - tight straightforward player

OTTH

H limps A8 UTG+1, PFR $20 MP1, V calls MP3, 2x calls LP
H l/rr $125, PFR folds, V shoves, I tank call

I'd say I'm not deep enough to call so limp/fold should be the default
But knowing this is a wide opener, my image and position, and having multiple callers is this l/rr squeeze justifiable or just spew?

Once the pfr folds and the first caller shoves I think I have to call it off as I have at least 30% against everything but AA.

Good play or just spew?

Just spew

You are probably going to get a lot of harsh responses on this one. But at the end of the day I hope you realize that people only l/rr with AA at this level because even though it's super obvious it still works. So your 'bluff' should scream AA, and you still got called. So don't try it again.

That's fair enough if it was spew it was spew
Obviously me being in EP when l/rr I rep a tight range but if anything I expected the PFR to be the main concern not the callers

I fold the first time around simply because a big raise is just way too likely at my tables.

I'm the nittiest nit at my tables. But I *still* get action, even multiway action, to my limp/reraises. Cuz people wanna see a flop and stack the nit. So I never get out-of-line here, and simply go with my value hands (with AQs/KQs likely being at the bottom end of my range here against light openers). Calling off ~7% of our stack OOP albeit closing the action and going 5ways to ~nutmine probably ain't horrendous at this point (but I don't think it's great either, which is why I now fold the first time).

I'm guessing the math says we're forced to call the shove at this point.

ETA: Also, in games which feature little 3betting, the callers are a concern, especially if many of them can flat with huge hands (I'd bet good money that QQ/AK is flat more often than 3bet in most games I play in).

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Uh, you shouldn't generally have any l/rr bluffs, most of them should be for value, because the primary objective of a l/rr is to get as much of your stack in preflop as possible, while denying V set mining odds with low PPs.

As such, you want to do it with a premium linear range. My lowest semi-bluff hand for a l/rr is TT. You also don't need a wide range for l/rr, because it's a move that only needs to be used rarely - maybe once per session, if that.

If you were going to play this hand, I think it's okay to just open raise it to $13-15, and hope you induce a calling chain for better IO if you hit the FD.

this seems like it's fine to me, A8s should be the bottom of our GII range at 100BB with the overlay you have

I would raise or fold the first time around. The second time around I'd shove with $80 in the middle already and with the sizing you chose you're pot committed anyway.

This is almost as close to an optimal squeeze spot as you can get.

What is your squeeze range here??
I'm assuming you would be 3bet shoving pre?

I have no issue with the play. I definitely l/rr bluff from UTG. It’s a once every couple of sessions play and basically always takes it down. Make the play into a competent player and it should work.

Once you get jammed on I figure you’re about even money to call so dealers choice I guess. Probably ‘have’ to call with 40% of your stack in there.

This might be immaterial but I would have preferred just a little bit smaller pre, like $110. I don’t know if these tiny differences matter but i’ve Been trying to be really exact in thinking through my sidings recently and feel like it helps the win rate. I use to think $100-125 was all the same here.

Wtf was your plan in the first place? Don't tell me it was l/rr the whole time. Seems terrible. Just open to 15 like a normal person

I don't want to say always, but I am ALMOST always raising 4x folding to any large 3b against a competent V and calling when people give awesome price ie if someone rr 12 to 37 and its 6 ways etc. - I have no limp rr in my range though so maybe as a balance this is a good choice of hand if conditions are right. But a lot of the time people at a table like this are doing weird enough stuff pre where sometimes V has mid to high pairs yhat he flats and just 'Decides' you are making a move and choose to get it all in and you will almost always be behind once he jams.

Also a limp call here is more than likely fine as well if you have a few decent stacks putting in 20 pre although hands like this its always more optimal being a bit deeper than 300bb.

Anyway my main thing here is - while this is a balance of your limp rr AA or whatever it's more or less just fancy play where you should just mine that nut draw multi way postflop versing horrible players and likely get paid off any time you hit it anyway.