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Two consecutive 1/2 hands. Two consecutive 1/2 hands.

06-29-2017 , 05:15 PM
Mostly concerned about second hand, first is more for context.

V1 Middle age guy who is fairly active limps. He has 130 or so to start hand.
V2 OMC.
V3 unknown.

V1 limps UTG, v2 limps, hero makes it 10 UTG+2 with QQ. BB calls. V1 makes it 50 and has 76 behind. Hero???

Hero knows he is never good here but is a little tilted and jams for some reason. He ends up sucking out QQ vs KK. I know limp reraising is usually pretty butted and vs most players this is a snap fold but he seemed pretty active and not the type to LRR. TThis coild have been like 88 trying to steal a pot. I still think not folding was a mistake but that was my thought process.


Next hand:

Hero opens A9ss to 5, MP calls, V1 makes it 15 from the small blind, BB calls I call and MP calls.

Flop 963 two diamonds no spade.

Check check Hero bets 35. MP folds. V1 jams for 150. Other villain folds. Hero??? For what it's worth he doesn't seem tilted. He leaning back and looking away/relaxed.

I'm fairly high up in my range but he's obviously repping stronger. He could have diamonds and overs though of course. And even though I'm fairly high up in my range this is obviously the bottom of hands I'm betting 4 ways. Aside from A9 the only hands I bet here are pair+ draw hands and sets.

So there is about 240 in the pot and it's 120 for me to call. I need to have 33.3 percent equity give or take to call. Against a range of 99-AA, AJdd-AKdd, KQdd and AKo I have 35 percent equity. If he doesn't have AKo this is a fold. If he doesn't have some of these semi bluffs it's a fold. If he just bets out when he has overpairs this might be a call.

The question is if he really has all of those semi bluffs in his range that he doesn't just flat pre with them and never just calls flop with them. The other question is does he ever check sets and overpairs. I would normally say no he would just bet those but he limp reraises KK so idk...

Is the answer just fold pre?

Last edited by Ihadtrips; 06-29-2017 at 05:29 PM.
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06-29-2017 , 05:39 PM
H2: You opened to 2.5x? Why? That's a pot builder and we're OOP with a hand that's much better HU... and in position. At 1/2 where we'll likely get lots of calls, I prefer folding this pre in early position, or making a big raise if I think I can get HU against a bad player with a wide range. Calling the 3bet is trivial, but I guess it's cheap enough.

I think the flop can be a check back sometimes, but I don't really mind leading out either, but with intention to bet/fold... so now we fold. He does not have AKo here ever.
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06-29-2017 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
H2: You opened to 2.5x? Why? That's a pot builder and we're OOP with a hand that's much better HU... and in position. At 1/2 where we'll likely get lots of calls, I prefer folding this pre in early position, or making a big raise if I think I can get HU against a bad player with a wide range. Calling the 3bet is trivial, but I guess it's cheap enough.

I think the flop can be a check back sometimes, but I don't really mind leading out either, but with intention to bet/fold... so now we fold. He does not have AKo here ever.
Not my standard open. Literally the first hand I experimented with it lol. I was testing a strategy where I mix up my preflop raise between two sizes which in theory lets me play a slightly wider range at weak tables. Of course I'd occasions mix better hands into my smaller sized opens.

He never has AKo if he's playing rationally. He just got stacked KK vs QQ and he's the type to limp reraise KK at a passive table.
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06-29-2017 , 06:07 PM
I think they're both folds don't do the "make it 5" raise they do that all the time in my game, still don't get it
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06-29-2017 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ihadtrips
I'm fairly high up in my range but he's obviously repping stronger. He could have diamonds and overs though of course. And even though I'm fairly high up in my range this is obviously the bottom of hands I'm betting 4 ways. Aside from A9 the only hands I bet here are pair+ draw hands and sets.
The only range that matters imo is the range that you bet the flop with imo. So we are pretty low
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06-29-2017 , 06:33 PM
Both folds, and yeah, I agree with above, hopefully you are not that high up in your range, or you are playing way too loose.
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06-29-2017 , 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Both folds, and yeah, I agree with above, hopefully you are not that high up in your range, or you are playing way too loose.
Well my open UTG call small 3 bet multiway bet flop range when checked to is probably like

T9dd, 66, 99. TT, JJ, QQ. After two checks including a check by the PFR with one still to act, would you bet AT-Add I feel like there are good arguments for betting or checking. AKdd might be more of a check cause it does so well vs their check folding range which will have hands like weaker aces and KQ

So yea A9 is the weakest hand im really betting except AT-AQdd and those hands are almost better because they have more equity vs what he is representing.
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06-30-2017 , 11:22 AM
First hand: If you were pretty sure V1 had AA or KK, fold is definitely the play. However, if there is any chance he does this with worse, gii w/ QQ here is not terrible for the price.

Second hand: I don't see any point in the $5 "raise," but whatever. That's not even a hand I want to sweeten the pot with -- not that I would do that, anyway.

I would not donk the flop. I definitely fold now.
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06-30-2017 , 12:01 PM
grunch:

Snap fold the second hand.

1st hand could go either way depending on how the V has been playing, and how active the rest of the table is.
The most active the rest of the table is, the more likely he limped a monster.
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06-30-2017 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
grunch:

Snap fold the second hand.

1st hand could go either way depending on how the V has been playing, and how active the rest of the table is.
The most active the rest of the table is, the more likely he limped a monster.
He was active and the table was super passive. The passivity of the table is why I didn't snap muck. It was the middle of the day with lots of older and passive players.
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06-30-2017 , 05:38 PM
Result: hero folds and villain later tells me he had AA. Seemed genuine but obviously you never know. He went into this story about how I probably had more outs on the second hand than the first.
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