Hand #1: Hero just sat down with $500, no reads.

Hero is dealt AQ in the BB. 4 players limp, hero raises to $30, 2 of the limpers call, including player in MP and Villain on the button. Villain began hand with $425.

Flop: A75 ($95)

Hero bets $70. MP folds. Villain calls.

Turn A75 (6) ($235)

Hero?
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Hand #2:

Villain 1 has been playing a pretty ABC game, with the exception of limping a lot along with the remainder of the table. Have not seen him get out of line, nor has he been particularly active.

Villain 2 is new to the game.

Hero is on the button with AK. The straddle is on. Villain 1 and 2 limp, hero raises to $50, only villain 1 and 2 call. Effective stacks are now $175.

Flop: 776 ($160).

Checks to Hero who ...?

Hand 1 is good so far. I usually bet again on turn to charge him for draws. However, against an unknown, you can check/call turn and evaluate river. If you were ahead on flop, you most likely still are unless he has some hand like 8s9s. I am not keen on gii here against an unknown with one pair and bet/fold seems terrible.

Hand 2 is good so far, too. I can go either way, but if you bet flop, you are not going to get called by worse, obviously, and if they are good enough to check/raise you here as a bluff, betting is bad. Hard for them to put you on a 7. I might check with the plan to call a bet on most turns.

Would be nice to have any reads on Hand 1 and on V2 in Hand 2.

Hand 1) Bet turn to get value from Ax, flush draws, and straight draws that now have a pair. $140.

Hand 2) You're $175 effective with both villains? Yeeeeesh that's gross. 7x is never folding, 6x probably isn't either. I'm not one to bluff short stacks but this is a case where I think we can stuff it and get called by worse.

You are bet/calling, correct? Well, never mind, you can't fold.

What worse will call?

Hand 1: OTT b/f 105 // reevaluate River
Hand 2: 160$ pot and we are 175 eff? .. Hmm I think you can do whatever you like to do and the EV will be the same if we check or if we bet here. In Game I would put them all-in here.

Hand 1: Bet $120

Hand 2: Check

I see stacks in Hand 2. Nobody is/should fold a hand better than AK to a shove on this flop. I think they are calling with any pair. I don't think worse is calling, unless it's a flush draw.

Straight draws/flush draws. The occasional "**** it, I call with AJ" nonsense. Not to mention they may fold their equity incorrectly.

Unless I pick up some ridiculous read, I'm calling off here as the board is too wet and we don't block any draws.

Bet/fold hand 1. Raise more preflop.

Hand 2 check back, you aren't folding out better/getting called by worse

Those of you saying bet/fold in Hand 1 -- you are putting in almost half your stack and then folding? And, he starts the hand with less than 100bb.

hand 1:

with less than 1.5 spr, how can we ever bet/fold turn?

if you are folding AQ here, V can shove combo draws on turn into you all day and be massively profitable.

I don't think how we can pot control here oop.

If you size it bigger preflop, you can comfortably set a turn jam. But you make it awkward stack size. Bet/fold, bet/call, overbet jam, check/call, check/raise all sounds not good to me for somehow.

Hand 2:

175 eff agaisnt both v? if so, just shove like a boss. It is a super dry board.

Hand 1 - $145

Hand 2 - make it $60-70 pf, stuff now

For Hand 1, there seems to be a debate between b/f and b/c, so let's crystallize that: Hero bets $125 and Villain raises to $325 all in. Hero?

That's why I don't bet turn in Hand 1 against an unknown. You put in half of your stack, there is $685 in the pot, and it's $200 more. Personally, I don't see how you can ever fold here.

You should have had a plan when you bet... Stick to it.

You have no blockers to all draws.

If I'm playing online NL100-NL200 or against some regs live, I'm calling here.

Against unknown at low stakes, b/f seems sucks but it might not be horrible as most V is not capable of making moves here and underbluff in this situation. I would puke fold

Hand 1, so much of V1's range is draws that I'm ok with b/c turn. Not thrilled, but not crying either.

Not really a big fan of c/f Hand 1 ... I wouldn't bet either unless I was ready to gii here. Unfortunately I think both betting and checking really narrow our range and allow our opponent to play accordingly. c/c all bets here in first hand.


Hand 2 I don't mind betting out here to rep an over-pair .. or just the best hand in general. Sure you may get taken off your hand occasionally but I think we take it down enough to bet out. If we decide to check then I 'will' bet out if it's checked to me again and expect to take it down there. GL

I'm not folding hand 1 getting better than 3.4-1 versus an unknown. We've got 17% equity versus a tight range of Ax spades, sets, two pair and straights. Add in some random spazzed worse aces and stuff like 78 other pair + straight draw combos and we've got enough to call.

Thanks for the comments all. I selected both hands because I found the stack sizes to be awkward. I'm a limit player that has been forced into NL by geography, so my biggest issues transitioning have had to do with bet sizing and stack depth issues.

Hand #1: With full knowledge of the low SPR, it feels spewy to get it in here. Someone mentioned that live 2/5 players probably don't bluff raise the turn enough, and I agree.

In the actual hand, I looked over at villain's chip stack (he was in the 9 and I was in the 2, so I didn't have the clearest view) and saw ~$125 in chips. So I threw out two black chips and then this guy declares all in and it turns out he had 2 black chips on the bottom of his second stack of red. So instead of putting him in for $125 (which I think is a trivially easy move), I ended up betting $200 into a $325 stack and ended up with a trivially(?) easy call, after making a huge error.

I hate being the guy that is always asking, "How much?", but I suppose I learned by lesson here. This guy turned out to be a pretty poor player and I don't think he was angle shooting, but the situation upset me a bit. Ironically, later on in the session a player and the dealer made a big deal about someone else not having their black chips visible at the top of their front-most stack.

Hand #2: I have a big range advantage and can get called by worse, particularly flush draws and OESDs. And if any of those hands fold, it's a huge coup for me. Even a hand like Th8x has a surprising amount of equity and would likely forfeit it to a push. If a pair calls me it's not the end of the world given my overcard equity. If someone has a 7, oh well. I think all-in is the best play. But if someone donked into me, is it a fold?

Preflop: Agree that I can raise more preflop. My default is to not make mondo-live-poker raises until I have seen that the table is willing to call them, hence the smaller PFR on Hand #1. But I also have some other thoughts that I will put into a separate thread to avoid derailing.

In some places, the black chips dont play if they arent at the top of the stack or easily visible. Where I play the blacks are actually a medium grey and blend with greens from a distance. Putting them on the bottom of a stack of greens will cause the floor to get called in a hand like this.

Both hands is to go all-in on the flop.
You cannot reevaluate nothing and obviously cannot fold the AQ (1st hand). Go for stacks to the river.

On the second one, you represent an overpair. Opponents may as well missed the flop. Don't have nothing to reevaluate the AK in the 2nd hand. Go for stacks all the way to the river.

Hand 1, thats a scummy move by V, and I'd call the floor for a second opinion if you reasonably couldn't make out his total stack size.

Sorry you lost, but I don't think you played it wrong, even assuming you knew his actual stack. Why are we afraid on the turn before we've even acted? Was it because he called our flop bet? If so, there's something wrong with our flop bet.

We are ahead of (but not crushing) the bulk of a rando's pf limp/call and flop call range on this board. Alternative lines are basically nonsense. You are going to check? If so, it's gotta be to check/fold the turn, which is bad. Check and hope it checks through? If it does, that's a mess - you lost a ton of value with the best hand. If it does get through, what's your river plan on a blank? A spade? A club? Checking obviously, but then what?

I think the lesson is, if you're gonna raise pf with a hand like this in the blinds (which you should with 100bb, but things get complicated deeper), raise more in light of the limpers. Four limpers?? F that, make it $45-55. If you're gonna play this hand for TPGK/TPTK value (which is cool) crank it up preflop. You're gonna be OOP, which sucks so hard, so make the hand as easy as possible for you. Had you made it 50 pf you (1) probably would've just scooped pf, which is a ***** great result, or (2) the hand would be super easy, and probably heads up. Cbet all A K or Q flops, which is about 50% of them, and print money. Continue for stacks with TP+, so ez

*thumbs up*

As a general principle, I do not call the floor on folks that are oblivious. This guy seemed to be the type and after playing with him for a while after my impression was confirmed.