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Two 1/2 Line checks: a c/r and a straddle, both w/ TT Two 1/2 Line checks: a c/r and a straddle, both w/ TT

08-07-2014 , 01:38 PM
Kind of a slow day for me, so thought I'd post a couple of hands just to see if there were any thoughts about them.

V1 is new to the table. Mid-20s, hoody, handles chips with ease, seems to understand position and is moderately aggressive. Half an orbit prior to hand 1, he c/r the PFR on his immediate left (competent 20 something playing good TAG) on K64x flop, fired Kx turn and checked down 9 river, losing to KQ, claiming to have had a 6.

Hero appears to be pushing table around, but truth is I'm on a crazy rush of cards and playing a lot of pots. Not showing down too many hands at this point, but making a lot of raises.

Hand 1:
V1 (SB) ~$300 deep. Hero (MP) covers.

2 limps
Hero raises to $15 with TT
BTN calls, V1 (SB) calls, 1 limper calls

Pot: $60
Flop: 924

Checks to hero.
Hero bets $35.
Folds to V1 who c/r to $90.
Folds to hero.
Hero Calls.

Pot: $230
Flop: 924 - 8

Check/check

Pot: $230
Flop: 924 - 8 - Q

V1 bets $100
Hero calls.

Hand 2:
New player (V2) seated on Hero's immediate left. Sat with $50. Has straddled 3 hands (out of maybe 10 he's been at the table) and has shipped over several limps on 2 of them, folding to a raise on the other. In this game, straddle can be made anywhere and action begins on the straddle's immediate left.

V2 straddles (V2 is UTG+1, so Hero is UTG but acting last before straddle to close action PF).
3 limps (including V1 from pervious hand)
Hero looks down at TT and elects to limp, hoping that...
V2 ships it for $65 more.
V1 (~$240) agonizes then calls. All others fold.
Hero (covers V1) ships.

Thoughts on either hand?
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08-07-2014 , 01:53 PM
Ship 1st OTR, second raise pre to about $25-30.
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08-07-2014 , 02:37 PM
Both hands look good. I'd bet flop slightly bigger in hand 1. Shipping river would be terrible.
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08-07-2014 , 03:19 PM
Bet turn on hand 1
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08-07-2014 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BigSlick2006
Ship 1st OTR, second raise pre to about $25-30.
I think you're advocating a ship on river because we have blockers to J10 but it's useless when we can only rep 1 combo of which would be J10dd and most likely bet turn after being checked to
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08-07-2014 , 09:00 PM
Based on the V descripts, think both are fine, though I might ship turn in the 1st hand since remaining stack < PSB. If checking, I'll be calling most rivers. If he had something like QcJc, nice catch.
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08-07-2014 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jDiDo
Bet turn on hand 1
And call the river. Really should have bet the turn.

Hand 2: don't limp and let someone else in, just raise, expect his ship and call heads up. As played I'm folding.
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08-08-2014 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BigSlick2006
Ship 1st OTR
I guess the answer is that he's not going to fold with so little left behind, but assuming he is capable of it, what am I getting called by that I beat?

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Originally Posted by trucdouf
Hand 2: don't limp and let someone else in, just raise, expect his ship and call heads up. As played I'm folding.
He'd only shoved his straddles when everyone else was passively limping, I thought raising might allow him to play more optimally. I got exactly what I wanted when he shipped, but was a little thrown off when V1 called. Wasn't exactly sure how to proceed with him in the hand.
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08-08-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hfrog355
He'd only shoved his straddles when everyone else was passively limping, I thought raising might allow him to play more optimally. I got exactly what I wanted when he shipped, but was a little thrown off when V1 called. Wasn't exactly sure how to proceed with him in the hand.
DYSW we raise now? We want him to ship, we don't want multiway after he ships.
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08-08-2014 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
DYSW we raise now? We want him to ship, we don't want multiway after he ships.
Perhaps I'm not giving my opponents enough credit, but I played the hand the way I did because with no raises and only a couple of limps, weren't the majority of the fields' ranges capped near or below my hand? So I should be inviting them to join the pot (assuming I'm 100% GII vs the straddle)? What's the motivation for raising on my first action (aside from not letting it limp through and playing the rest of the hand OOP with no real defining actions PF)?
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08-08-2014 , 03:22 PM
Hand 1 seems bad. After V c/r flop and we called there's an effective SPR of less than 1. If this was a dry board I'd be ok with the flat OTF with the plan to call off or jam all turns. But since there's a FD out there and a couple straight draws flatting doesn't seem like a viable option. OTF you either need to fold or 3bet AI. Folding is normally fine, but since our V has shown a propensity to play take away with C/Rs verse a Cbet raising seems best.
As played you need to fire turn since the board got wetter and our V checks. This action almost always caps V range to a TP or semi-bluff, both of which we're ahead of.
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08-08-2014 , 03:25 PM
Hand 2 seems super +EV. Well played.
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08-08-2014 , 07:36 PM
Jam flop hand one. Hand 2 Nh. Gg.
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08-08-2014 , 11:20 PM
Both hands played fine IMO
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