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06-25-2013 , 03:25 AM
2/3
Hero $300
Just got to table
Haven't played a hand to showdown if at all

V $300
Was short was hero arrived but won a decent sized pot on the turn after a 3! with two others seeing the flop
No history
Asian mid-30s/40s
"Looks like a TAG"

1 limp
V raises to $7 MP (very small raise)
CO calls
Hero calls on BTN 8s9s
Both blinds call
Limper calls

Flop $35 7h8hTh
V cbets $25
Hero calls, all others fold

Turn $85 7c
V bets $45
I thought about a raise here, thought I had the best hand, didnt think V was raising one limper to $7 with TT+
Thought maybe could be behind JhTx etc
After some thought, hero calls with $225 behind

River $175 6h
Final board is 7h 8h Th 7c 6h
V checks
Hero?

Didnt want to check behind and lose to Jh, etc or chop with 9To etc

Thoughts on checking river, shoving river, and $125ish?
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06-25-2013 , 03:37 AM
People tend to pay off lighter on this kind of scary boards. Reason being they don't see folks at this level vbet here thin enough, so you become polarized in their eyes. The proper adjustment is to actually go ahead and vbet thinner here. But if you think you are bluffing, don't do it. You will get snapped by almost all flushes.
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06-25-2013 , 04:29 AM
The goal by betting river would be to get him to fold a flush

You think villains are snapping off here with Jh, Qh, even Kh with four to a straight flush here?
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06-25-2013 , 05:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by boyrico
The goal by betting river would be to get him to fold a flush

You think villains are snapping off here with Jh, Qh, even Kh with four to a straight flush here?
Much more often than the odds required for this bluff to be profitable IMO. What do you think you can credibly rep with your call-call line so far ?
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06-25-2013 , 06:58 AM
The nut flush
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06-25-2013 , 10:12 AM
Um... I don't like it at all. The only hands you are folding out you probably already have beat. Have fun repping the nuts against a bunch of monkeys... But yeah, you have got no reads on this guy and you are calling two bets on a three flush/paired board with mid pair and a straight draw. I don't like it. Fold turn, and probably fold flop. This is where playing SC's can significantly hurt your win rate. When you play them and then flop mid pair and try to continue. Now you want to try to bluff someone off of a flush? Your hand has much better reverse implied odds than implied odds. What do you really expect to get called by if you hit your straight?
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06-25-2013 , 10:41 AM
Yeah, too wet a board to pull off a successful bluff very often. I give up here. I think V could have FH, straights, trips, flushes...all of them are unlikely to fold. I'm putting my money on v having 5,6 or 6,7 the way he played it preflop.
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06-25-2013 , 03:09 PM
fold flop since it went 5 ways. Your hand is not as good as you think it is. T9 may be a call, but not 89 no hearts.

If you want to bluff raise I'd shove the turn not the river.
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06-25-2013 , 04:33 PM
Before you decide to make a bluff here, you need to be putting villain on a range of hands. The small PF raise could be a big pocket pair or high broadway cards. Next, lets think about the action. He bets the turn, then checks the river? Is he trapping with AA, with the Ace of hearts hoping you'll bet. Or planning a check call with maybe King or QueenX of hearts. I just think your folding equity is zero. If your ahead, check it down and take the pot down, instead of donating more money to villain when your behind. Easy check.
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06-25-2013 , 04:44 PM
I'd also call preflop. Thanks to the lol small raise, there's a good chance we'll be going very multiway to the flop and in position for a cheap price, I'm in there.

I'd fold the flop. There's still 3 others left to react after us who could be sandbagging. Our implied odds suck if we make a straight (it'll put 4-to-a-straight on board, and might even put 4-to-a-flush), and we might already be drawing dead / drawing to a chop. This isn't the board I was looking to flop. Villain also bet largish into 4 opponents, it's unlikely he's bluffing.

I'd again fold the turn for much the same reasons I'd fold the flop (except now there's even a greater chance we are drawing deadish on this paired board).

Villain's check does seem to indicate that he hates the river card which does complete a zillion draws. But does a bet really fold better hands (villain raised preflop and bet turn/river with a heart that might fold?) or get paid off by worse? I'm not so sure.

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