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Old 10-11-2017, 03:47 PM   #1
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Turned straight vs BTN and BB

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Hero $550 (LJ): Splashing around quite a bit attempting to learn how to play LAG. Have recently won a big pot with 65s flopping TP against two maniacs that held up.
V1 aprx $500 (BTN): Tight, passive. Has raised very few hands and has shown even raising pre that he has a fold button but has also called down with over pairs on draw heavy boards.
V2 aprx $300 (BB): Not too sure what to make of this guy. He's limp called several times out of position and flatted some flop bets both in and out of position. The only hands I've seen him win are either raising pre or calling pre and betting flop or turn with no show down.
V3 aprx $300 (MP2): Regular that gives everyone fits. He raises tight but will call in position with almost ATC and is an incredible post flop player. Doesn't get too aggressive without some piece of the board and completely willing to float or wait for scare cards to get money in.
OTTH:
Hero has 45o
Everyone limps to me and after a slight hesitation I just limp behind (with the lineup behind me and that many limps in front, I felt this might have been an opportunity to raise). V1 raises to $15. V2, V3, and hero call behind.

At this point I have V1 having 99+, KQs+, V2 22+, considering his appearance of being fit or fold and calling so many bets I put some SSC and Axs in his range. V3 is anyone's guess at this point

Flop(61):
766r
This is where things get interesting. The tables checks around to V1 but before he acts, the dealer lays out the turn (2s). Floor ruling is to allow V1 to act, turn card becomes the burn card for the river. V1 bets out $37, everyone calls.

Doesn't change my view of V1 range at all, seems like a standard Cbet. V2 and V3 both potentially have 6s in their range. I can't see V2 or V3 flatting with 89 here, expecting V2 to fold that and V3 to raise. V3 might have 58 in his range but I would still expect him to come over the top with that to try to fold out medium or under pairs so I feel pretty good that if my OESD hits I'm in good shape.

Turn (209):
8h (2nd heart)

Yahtzee!!! Checks around to V1 again, he bets $40, V2 flats again (???), V3 tanks for a solid 3 minutes before finally laying down, I raise to $120, V1 calls, V2 shoves his remaining stack...Hero??? I'm thinking it's possbile I'm facing 2 over pairs or an over pair and a 6 but not sure why V2 wouldn't have raised a 6 rather than flatting twice. I know my raise sizing is pretty small but my hope is to keep A6, 56 in the hand. Thoughts on all parts of the hand welcomed.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:16 PM   #2
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

Looks more like you're playing fishy/passive than LAG. Playing LAG is more about increasing your raise and 3b frequencies pre-flop to keep your ranges concealed. Overlimping is broadcasting to people paying attention that you have exactly the type of hand you have here: unsuited connectors/unsuited gappers.

Playing LAG is about applying pressure and winning big and small pots and losing small ones. You may want to re-consider how you're applying yourself to learning the style. Good for you for wanting to improve though, as I think it's difficult to be profitable in today's game for people who don't have strong LAG tendencies. The meta has shifted and TAG is a much tougher play than it used to be without very careful table selection.
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:30 PM   #3
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

fold pre

playing LAG doesn't mean playing trashy hands passively. There's nothing aggressive about that.

as played call
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Old 10-11-2017, 05:41 PM   #4
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

Players will definitely soft play a 6 here either because they know they're 90% good and just want to let someone else barrel, they're actually scared of a draw or being outkicked. I call it soft playing since sometimes it's trapping and sometimes it's not. When he overshoves he's basically just in "oh well **** it" mode because he knows he's never folding. Or of course he has the nuts and is ready to get everyone committed. But you cant fold given the possibility he has any 6 in his hand.
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Old 10-11-2017, 06:39 PM   #5
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

Fold pre
Fold flop
Flat turn
As played, fold turn. You've got the 8th nuts with no redraw.

This hand was a disaster
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:07 PM   #6
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

Certainly learning how to play LAG is a worthwhile goal, but most 1/2 tables aren't the place to try it out. You want to play LAG against mostly tight players that are able to fold to pressure.

As everyone else said, limp/calling isn't playing LAG. If you aren't going to raise, then fold.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:28 PM   #7
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

Appreciate all the pointers. I should have added in my notes I had shown down a couple big hands that I had limped/flatted in position leading up to this so this was my attempt at balancing, now just feels like a case of FPS. For you guys wanting results, V1 calls behind and I was double coolered with V1 flopping 7s full while V2 turned 8s full. I thought my call on the end was worse than my pf flat so obviously I still have a lot to learn.
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Old 10-11-2017, 11:05 PM   #8
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

If you wanna learn to play LAG, play the same range as before from every spot but the button, and maybe CO, and then go wild on the button.

Fold pre fold or raise flop. Calling bets with draws to the non nuts is mostly worthless because it hurts you IO/gives you RIO.
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Old 10-12-2017, 04:19 PM   #9
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

So which one had the boat and which one had the correct end of the straight?
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:00 PM   #10
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Re: Turned straight vs BTN and BB

Quote:
Originally Posted by michelle227 View Post
So which one had the boat and which one had the correct end of the straight?
As noted, they both had boats.
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