Hustler 2/5 - bi is 100-300.

Effective stack size is 350. Villain B owned me some time earlier for a few hundred - he's a solid older guy (60?). Villain A is a solid younger reg.


Hero is in the button with A Q

Villain A is BB, villain B is UTG.


UTG and a few others limp, hero RAISES to 25, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, the rest fold except MP who calls.


FLOP: J 9 6


Villain A (SB) bets 35. Vil B calls, MP folds, hero CALLS.

Turn: T

Vil A checks, Vil B bets 25, hero CALLS, Vil A calls.

RIVER: 5

Vil A checks, Vil B bets 40, hero?


Value raise or flat for an overcall?

1st, buy in is only 60BBs? WTF is that. Raise turn to $75-90 ship river. As played pot is like $300 you have roughly $260 left. The question you have is will K of hearts or weaker flush going to call a raise to $100-150 on river but not a shove. That's read dependent. IMO I go for it all.

pot is 100 on the flop? i raise/get it in on the flop personally most of the time.
as played, it gets difficult. villain just severely underbet pot on the turn, and a raise will chase them away a lot. still gotta raise something to set up a bigger river bet imo.

if villain would have bet bigger on the river, i see a point for flatting, but given his bet size i think it has to be a raise.

but i would have raised flop. you have huge equity against almost anything multiway. and it balances your range. if you have a flop raising range AT ALL, this hand has to be in it.

What are you afraid of here?

Why didn't you raise the turn???

Why so little pre flop if there were a few limpers? AQ isn't a great multiway hand.

The action continues.

Hero RAISES to 140 total, SB folds, BB counts some chips and the shoves ALL IN

hero?

you got coolered, nh. i still think you misplayed it.

Snap calls and says nh to a straight flush. Can't fold this hand this shallow IMO, not without soul read.

Only 2 possible hands (QJh and 78h), out of 1326, beat ur hand.

KQh, K8h, K7h are all possible shoves (as well as any other Kxh combo). Qh combos are less likely. I've seen villains river straights on boards like these and bet for perceived value, only to get called by villain holding 3h (and he "just had to see" lol). Very villain dependent.

I would call some villains here given same line. Some I wouldn't.

How can he have anything but a straight flush? Most people fold Kh here because it looks so obvious that you have Ah. This is kind of why not raising the flop or turn puts you in a spot where its hard to extract value.

I like raising the flop if he calls pre with alot of QJo, KJo, AJo hands. In that case you have tons of FE w/ ur NFD.

I've actually been thinking of bluffing these 4card flush spots because so many times I just see someone open fold Kh or Qh.

Call, sucks that you got coolered though

Actually, last time this happened to me, it was the K. I thought it was a great play on his part. I actually toyed with the idea of folding for a minute.....

i agree with your sentiment, but QJh is impossible.

KQhh Q8hh 78hh all beat us.

effective stack sizes: 70bb.

You just can't fold this profitably this shallow, IMO. This is a rare bluff spot; but also a rare situation/cooler.

If villan is absolutely incapable of raising a Kh or bluff here; then fine you have a soul read and fold; but I think this is a shrug-call all day.

Such a rare spot that it doesn't matter so much though for long term play.

If you were 200bb+ deep; this would be a *much* easier fold.

even if old man coffee who hasn't raised the river without the absolute nutz since 1988 raises me here, i'm paying off this deep.

Interesting, I've never seen this happen ever. Makes me think it was a one off thing w/ a specific ******ed player.

So maybe we should just raise more to not have to say... POT ODDS @#$ IT! Lol.

And lol at old man coffee.

Thank you for the replys

This thread belongs in the hall of fame for dumbest responses ever. Seriously, raise more pre, get it in on the flop. As played, WTF, LOL CALL.

Um, NO!?!? Is this a level ??

Shipping this flop is unbelievably spewey IMO.



The real question here was relating to the river raise - if we are ever getting much value from worse hands, and losing too much against the several possible straight flushes here.

Whoops, not QJhh. My bad.

Anyways my point is, 3 hands out of 1326 beat us.

I agree with the shrug call. If we were still 300bb deep on riv facing a bigger decision, I would certainly take my time. With these stack sizes and SPR, I just don't see how we could find a fold here.

I don't care what the villan flipped over, and I don't care that he had the straight flush.
I'm not thrilled with the flop bet by Vil A it does look like some sort of flopped flush trying to get value, since it's just so small, or normally I'd be worried about the Ah+top pair combo draw, but he can't have that obviously since we are holding the Ah, but I'm never folding here on the flop.
On the turn, raise raise raise. There is almost 200$ into the pot, and we very likely have the best hand, and it's still multi way, someone almost always has the K high flush here. If somehow we don't have it all in before the river, then we should look to get it in every time on the river here.

I agree 100%. Someone almost always has K or Q high flush here. We just can't fold in fear of SF.

more pre, raise flop, raise turn, push river. i dunno, play poker like a man not like a little girl.

you guys are nuts if you think river call is profitable.

Just because we don't hold the absolute nuts doesn't mean we *are* nuts lol.