1/3 Live, 7 players

bb (Villain): $350
hj: $300
CO (Hero): $500 67

- I've seen villain raise opponent's cbet 3x on 2 tone flop with a naked straight draw.
same bet on turn when he got there and called river when opponent bet into him on scare card. (He won and had to show his cards.)

- i've also seen villain bet $15 on flop and $30 turn, then bet big on river ($100). Opponent folded. (Dont remember if multiple players limped or if he was the preflop raiser.)


Preflop:
hj/hero limps, sb folds, villain raises to $17, hj folds, hero calls

Villain hasnt been overly aggressive preflop.

Flop ($38): A K 6
Villain bets $15, hero calls

I put him on either top 2 pair/set or flush draw.

Turn ($68): 7
Villain bets $30, hero raises to $80, villain 3bets to $170, Hero???

This is the 1st time i've seen him 3bet.
(heck, 1st time i've seen anyone at the table 3bet post flop and i've been here a few hrs.)

That leaves him with about $148 behind.
being Creative with flush draw? will shove on river no matter what?
suckering me in with min 3bet?
afraid i might have a set of 6 and will save $148 if i shove?

What would you do on the Turn?

I lean towards a fold here to be honest. Unless i have more in depth reads on the villains post flop tendencies i fold here by the default. Turn 3 bets are so rare, and especially turn 3 bets wich arent nutted made hands.

You have no business raising him on the turn here given the action preflop.
He has all the big hands and you have almost none.

Grunch.

I would raise to $20 pre. As played, I'd fold unless you know villain will go broke on most boards with one pair.

Flop looks good.

I wouldn't raise turn. Sure, people are stationary, but the only worse value hand I can see calling is AQ, maybe AJ. He really shouldn't have too many FDs. I'd fold to the 3 bet, his line is so nutted.

I'd iso myself pre. I don't like playing limped pots in these low stakes raketrap games. As played I'm tempted to fold due to the passive description but IP closing action with a hand that plays well post even against stronger ranges calling seems fine.

Just fold the flop. You are crushed vs. his range and your hand only improves on 5 cards, and not even to the nuts. Even his bluffs have like 40% equity or so.

Just call the turn. Why on earth would you raise vs. the range you assigned? I think it's way too tight and villain should have some Ax as well, but that's mostly bet/folding.

Fold as played.

Oh ya, also fold flop for sure. Missed that somehow.

How is this anything other than a fold?

Don’t limp this pre. Raise to slightly bigger than your normal open.

I might just throw it away on the flop, bottom pair, no backdoor, board that strongly favors my opponent.

Turn raise is horrendous. Are you hoping he has AQ exactly? As played, fold to the 3 bet.


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I think the reasons why your line probably isn’t best have been touched upon well.

I’d

Raise pre

AP fold to V’s raise pre

AP fold flop

AP just Call turn

AP Fold turn

imo

The range you assigned for him to bet flop is waaaay too narrow. He can have a lot of other hands here. He can have AQ,AJ. He might have gutshot straight draws.

What flush draws can he really have here when he raises preflop from the blinds? Exactly Q J, J T, maybe a couple smaller suited connectors. Maybe 4 combos of FDs max?

So on turn we’re raising into a range that you assigned which contains 9 combos of AK, 6 combos of AA/KK, and 4 combos of FDs. All the flush draws are actually combo draws (with gutshot, open-ended straight draw, or two pair outs) which have significant equity against us. Can you see how that’s a bad idea?

If we use a wider more realistic range that includes AQ and AJ, we’re hoping to get called by AQ, but you’re losing to a ton of other hands. Turn raise is still bad because he’s ahead more often than not when he puts more money in the pot.

why fold pre?
my thinking is that 67s flops well, no?


And to everyone, thx!
yeah, i should have folded on the flop.
thanks for the reasons why i shouldnt have raised on the turn.

and i did fold to his min 3bet

I'm perfectly fine with a passive overlimp in LP preflop although I'm sure others will say this is a raise. I'm not loving facing the raise, but we're getting ok IO (especially if this guy doesn't get OOL preflop) for a small percentage of our stack and will be in position.

The board is decently drawy and most opponents are scared to death of drawy boards with made hands and thus wouldn't bet < 1/2 PSB (even with nuttish hands like sets). Would he ever bet this small with TP+ on this drawy a board? Do we think he cbets QQ/etc. here? I'm assuming we can get him off QQ/etc. if the draws bust? I don't mind seeing a turn for this price and seeing what happens but it may somewhat depend on whether he can bet small with monsters.

I often play two pair hands very passively, especially the bottom end, especially when it isn't inconceivable given the action that there are better two pair+ in play, and especially since I have a nitty image which may fold worse hands if I get too aggro. I'm also not nearly convinced as you seem to be that he's triple barrelling a draw (especially since raising QJs- preflop from the BB seems slightly aggro). So with all this in mind, I simply go into calldown mode on the turn.

As played, pretty trivial fold at this point, imo. We just made a big street raise which shows huge strength and yet he doesn't care. No one ever thinks they have any FE against a big street raise, so he's just hardly ever getting OOL here.

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It's not a min raise...which would be to $130...it's actually a $90 raise over your $50 raise.

Or am I wrong?

from the perspective of 1/3 players, 170 is barely double my $80 bet, thus i consider it a min raise

All I see are a couple of fish randomly clicking buttons vs each other with quasi big hands. The question is who's is bigger. I'd probably fold this but it's hard to read with the way it played out.

Hand is good enough to raise and iso. I don't like overlimping if we're likely to get raised but IME it's very table dependent. If we're very likely to go 5 ways in a limped pot I don't see a problem.

AP I guess I call, the thing is like I say I think this hand is usually a raise pre.

Flop I just fold, really hate a call here.