Can I ever find the fold button here. Game is juicy 5/5 game with many stack around 200 to 250bb deep. UTG limps Hero in the cutoff raises to 20 with pocket 3's BB calls UTG call. Both villains have my $1200 dollar stack covered.

FLOP is 9 3 2 rainbow. UTG checks Villain makes it 45 BB calls UTG folds

BB is a young player that talks to much about **** that makes very little sense. Does not play straight forward and generally confuses me. I have not seen him get to showdown with out a hand.

Turn brings a deuce and I fill up, He checks I make it 130 he does the look at my stack look at the board my stack and board and then stacks his calling chips and as he is moving them forward announces raise. It look very strong but he only makes it another 205 to go. I snap call.

River brings what I think is a blank and then he donks into me for 200. Now I am going over the hand and putting him on a deuce and thinking I am getting paid. I look week swallow hard and then say all in to try and induce a call

Villian snap calls, interested in hearing what you think if my line.

Thanks

Sounds like V has exactly the image he wants(see bolded above). He's got you believing he some FOS crazy kid yet at showdown he's always got a hand. Of course he's got pocket 9's but he could show them to me and I would still think about shoving before I fold.

Standard cooler.

Anything other than shipping the river is bad imo

So, wp
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I like flop flat. Turn is good. I wouldn't raise if he bet. River is jam, but save that hollywood bs.

+1,

look, noobs and rec-fish have the overwhelming urge to hollywood, "look weak" when they are strong and you have no idea how much money that costs you whenever you encounter a thinking player.

I've saved THOUSANDS of dollars this year because rec-fish nits would say something like, "Lets gamble" and then shove all-in. Really nit? You haven't raised in 3 hours, you haven't shoved all day, you haven't played a big pot all night and now you want to "gamble". Yeah right, nice boat and thanks for letting me fold my trips Ace kicker!

I've also saved tons of money when players do the woe-is-me-sigh-shrug-sigh shove.

The best thing you can do for your game is to play every hand identical. No hollywooding, no "send me home" bs. Just be silent and stone faced and play your hands straight and you will notice that you will become unreadable and a beast to play against as far as thinking players are concerned.

As played, I'm never folding 2nd nut full house at 5/5 for under 200bb. If he had the nut full house or quads, more power to him.

In these spots, the question we should ask ourselves isn't "How can I get away from this spot..."

No. That is the wrong question.

The right question is, "Can villain take this line with a worse hand?"

If we have 4 8 eff stacks 200bb

and the board runs out 2 5 A J 3

we are heads up. Pot is 25bb on the river.

We bet 20bb, V raises us to 45bb, Hero should???

If V is a nit, hero should fold
If V is a rec-fish, Hero should call
If V is a solid winning TAG, hero should fold
If V is a spewtarded donk, Hero should raise
If V is an ego maniac that loves to bluff, Hero should min-raise then call a shove


IN your case. The question you need to ask yourself is would this V take that line against you with A2, JJ, QQ, or could he have boated up with a ******ed 92s or 42s combo (you never said what the river card was)

if the answer is yes, then you play for stacks.

If the answer is no, then you can fold.

Based on your OP and description, the answer is yes. So you play for stacks.

How can a UTG check before a BB bets Flop? I may be reading this wrong ... ??

Dont mind Flop play with middle set ... does he have Arag or an overpair. You dont want to lose a player who will do the betting for you. This board is pretty tame to raise here and give anything away.

Why so much on the Turn? 130 into 150 couldve scared away quite a few but in this case he fires back a 50% PSraise. So he knows you have a hand (or want him gone) but he does nothing but encourage you to stay in the hand based on his bet sizing. This is a huge alarm IMO.

Based on your words ... you 'think' the River is a blank and he donks $200 into $820 .. magically leaving you with 50% PSraise behind if you call and want to raise. This is a call me/raise me bet all the way. Do you really think that a naked 2 is going to call your shove?

I would have to proceed with my gut here and obv this is easy for me to see 'stress' in this hand since you posted it but I can find just a call here quite often. My guess right now is that an over card (T+) hit the River and he boated higher?

Why did he make it 'so' easy to stay on the Turn? Why is he donking so small on the River? What did he bet with on the Flop that another 2 makes him want to c/r with? Can he take this line with AA-TT ... anything we beat?

Easy to say, but if you are willing to shove on the River then you need to 3-bet the Turn and get it over with there ... he is actually letting you off the hook on the River. I think I might have taken him up on his offer quite often just to see his cards. GL

Meh... cooler if you lost. I don't see him not 3-betting/raising flop with an overpair, so I think you are either against 99's or A2 very likely. Your line is fine. I actually like the big bet on the turn, you needed to bloat the pot in order to get it in by the river. Forget about going the $50 approach to try and get "value" from 77 type hands, you want a big pot with a big hand.

standard. good line. wp op.

Standard. (Obv)! Cooler

I'm thinking player had an over pair to the 33 and filled up on the BLANK river .
Reload and move on

I'm sorry he had 99

I like dgiharris's reply. Ask yourself if the villain is capable of acting in the manner he is with most losing hands, then act accordingly.


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Goodjob we got max value!

that hollywood stuff srysly tilting me even just reading it though. Swallow then raise? lololol.