Hero-23 year old reg I know everyone at the table, tables only been open for 45 mins. They know me to be raising a lot and pretty aggressive. $210 MP

v- I think he plays bigger games he's like a 30 year old white guy, I haven't played with him much, he's been calling a lot he's not been aggressive. 180$ BB

v2-old guy talks a lot kinda crazy as in personality , he's pretty tight passive. 170$ BTN.


Hero raises to 12 from MP and get 5 callers. With KQ

Flop 1027 pot-72

Checks around to BTN who bets 17, V1 calls ,I call(is this a bad call)

Turn- Q pot-123$
v1 leads for 50 I call ( is this a call or a fold) I thought his bet was strong, than V2- ships for 140-150ish I know now it's a fold but what do you think about y call on the flop and turn???

uhhhh fold flop

yes, it's a bad call on the flop

What odds do I need to peel? I thought I was getting better odds but it was like 6:1, I figured if I hit either I was good plus I had back door equity.

I personally see nothing wrong for peeling the flop getting almost 6:1 and having two overs, BDFD, and BDSD.

It's a bad call because you have no plan. Are you calling for a K or a Q ott? What's your plan if you miss? I know you don't have a plan if you hit because you posted the hand.

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+1 to needing a plan.

I don't like the call even though you're getting big odds:
* Players' ranges are wider, making hand reading harder
* You're facing the best two hands of five that saw the flop
* There are players to act behind you and your hand can't tolerate a raise.

So if you spike a Q or a K you're not going to know where you stand and if you spike a draw you're still going to need either to get lucky or to move two other people off their hands. Stacks aren't deep enough to play make-a-hand with backdoor draws.

As played, a players who hasn't been aggressive leads out for a pot-committing bet into two other players. On your best days, he has QJ. On other days, he has 2P or better. He called $10 with $62 in the pot pre; his range is wide.

And you still have another player to act behind you and still can't tolerate a raise.

If raising to $12 is getting five callers, start raising higher. I usually find raises in the upper teens work well at 1/2, but it varies by table.

i didn't really have a plan but I thought I had enough equity to call, to make my hand, because he bet so small , I also figured if I hit one of my back door cards the turn would check through or they would make another small bet.

Bet $50 on the flop. As played calling flop is fine with two overs plus backdoor straight and flush draws

Peeling the flop is not really fine. I wouldn't mind as much if we had position on V2, but we don't. V2 described as tight passive so even though it's a small flop bet, it still represents strength. Turning a K or Q is only going to cost us money against turned two pairs and sets, which, based on the shove from V2, is exactly what happened here and cost us an extra $50 on the turn. Turning a draw is not great either because then what do we do? Check call another bet oop vs V2 and hope he pays off a big river lead when we hit? Check shove turn into a passive guy betting twice? Both seem like pretty bad options. Think through what is going to happen on future streets when deciding what to do, instead of just saying well I'm getting a decent price with backdoor this and that. Peeling flop with these types of hands is fine in some situations, this isn't one. Fold.

Flop call is bad OOP against player showing initiative. If you were the button and someone lead into you with the same bet and a call in front I would find it to be marginal but probably okay.

I think more times than not , he has a 10, or some pair like 88, or 99 so for the price I thought it's worth it to hit my hand I have like 30% equity against just 10s , 8s or 9s, I'm getting 6.2:1 and I know I can fold to further aggression from him.

If you want to continue post-flop, you should raise. Calling is def bad; it doesn't accomplish anything.

You need to do the math though. How often will you hit? And how much money do you need to make after you hit to make this a winning play. Without knowing your numbers, you should be folding.

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Ck raise to 80. Jam any spade K Q or A

Or J