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Turn spot with top pair vs good pro Turn spot with top pair vs good pro

07-04-2019 , 04:58 AM
2/5 $1500 effective.

Assume my hand is somewhere between AxTs-AxQs

Good pro plays wider pre than what would be considered standard. Plays very well deep stacked post flop. More aggressive than the average nit pro, not afraid to go for it when he misses, but not spewy. We have a lot of history together but I don’t recall any hands where he has led turn. I’ve definitely seen him trap sets on boards that are good for the PFR but wouldn’t call him a trappy player, he mixes it up.

Bad sticky rec limps EP, H $20 BU, good pro flats SB, bad rec flats BB and limper calls.

Flop As6h5s.

Pot:$75.

Xxx, H $60, pro calls and limper calls.

Turn 2d.

Pot:$255

Pro leads $225, rec folds, H? Plan for non spade non 9 rivers vs pot sizing?

Last edited by Badreg2017; 07-04-2019 at 05:05 AM.
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07-04-2019 , 05:42 AM
You mean you have AxJs?

This is a MW pot on the turn. If he is a "good pro," he'll also know that this is a low percentage bluff. You've never seen him do this before, so I'd let it go. He's going to fire another bullet on the river.
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07-04-2019 , 07:01 AM
Given your decently sized flop bet MW, I doubt pro is expecting you to fold much, I'd expect he is weighted towards value. Turn also completes 43 so I'd sigh fold
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07-04-2019 , 07:38 AM
Vs a good player you simply must call turn with a minimum of AQ+ and call river with AK at a minimum. Which Ax are you betting flop with 3 ways?

He knows you have very few strong hands in your range, and flush draws (a large chunk of your range) cannot call turn profitably. You have some easy call downs like A6/A5/65s/all sets. This is likely far too few hands to only call with 2 pair plus esp given that opening hands like A5o otb with a sticky fish in the hand would be highly questionable.

Yes he gets paid with 66/55 which honestly is a good chunk of what he has here. Sb flat vs button should be 22-66 heavy. If he has 43 he is not a good player.
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07-04-2019 , 09:59 AM
OP: have you been opening light on the BTN? How do think this V perceives your opening range here?

AP: H is blocking some of the FDs We want V to have and also blocking V’s Ax, which weights V more to 55/66/65s unfortunately or exactly 8s7s. If you’re feeling sporty, I think you can raise/fold this turn. If H flats, he caps himself and V will barrel almost any non-Broadway river.
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07-04-2019 , 10:51 AM
Why the small pre / huge flop sizing?
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07-04-2019 , 03:33 PM
Meant to $25 pre. Flop sizing was because BB and EP are bad stations. I didn’t give much of a BB description but he’s a borderline whale.

Spanishmoon, I would assume he thinks I’m somewhat wide on the button due to EP limper and BB being terrible. He will 3 bet me light though so I can’t just be opening like crazy.
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07-04-2019 , 03:58 PM
I would fold AT-AQ pretty easily, and AK.

It's a leak to think someone is always balanced just because they're a pro. His line is theoretically very bad so it seems like an extreme exploit with a hand that wanted to x/r flop but wants to trap the fish. If he's potting it as a bluff into a calling station and another thinking player who's shown nothing but strength then lol.
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07-04-2019 , 06:31 PM
I would over fold in these spots. The turn is a low frequency donk spot and he bet into 2 other people which makes his range stronger than if it was just HU.

I like your cbet sizing - it should be sized up on FD boards.

You are in the middle of your range here. Going against a near PSB. We would call all these hands before AxTs-AxQs:

66/55/65s/AA/A6s/A5s/AxKs

One more note:

Cbet frequency should go UP for IP the deeper we get but you are also against 3 other ranges here. We are never getting 3 streets of value with this hand - unless we improve. So we are most likely going to have to check somewhere.

The flop is the best street to check for pot control.
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07-04-2019 , 08:06 PM
I think a flop check makes a lot of sense in a tough lineup, but with two mouth breathers in the hand who play weak ranges and do little bluff raising I think we are leaving too much money on the table by checking flop. They will call weak one pair hands or gutters etc on flop and turn to try to improve and we get more value by going bet->bet->check than a different line. A hand like 53 will call flop and turn but won’t call turn and river unless it improves.
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07-04-2019 , 08:43 PM
Ez lol fold, laugh at the pro for being so faceup and save yourself momey from his ridiculously unbalanced line . His SB overcalling range should be pretty obvious (PP/Axss/suited broadways/some SCs). Ie a lot of middling hands

His range is 99%+ 2pair/sets

Flop seems ok to bet, not a big fan of checking AT-AQ here whatsoever vs two bad recs and a pro who will play very straightforward postflop bc of that
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07-04-2019 , 08:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I think a flop check makes a lot of sense in a tough lineup, but with two mouth breathers in the hand who play weak ranges and do little bluff raising I think we are leaving too much money on the table by checking flop. They will call weak one pair hands or gutters etc on flop and turn to try to improve and we get more value by going bet->bet->check than a different line. A hand like 53 will call flop and turn but won’t call turn and river unless it improves.
Agree about leading the flop here. I guess the problem with folding here is we have to put V on a pretty narrow range: 6 55/66, 2 65s and 2 A5s (think he folds A6s pre). I don’t think 22/A2s can call flop. Yes we block FDs we want him to have. So I guess that strengthens his range. I feel he 3bs pre the big Aces that beat you.

Getting 2-1 it’s a call for me. His line is so weird. With what made hand would he flat this flop with the limper behind getting odds to draw?
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