Here is another hand that I would like thoughts on. $1/$2 NL $300 max at BB in Nashua. I have been playing TAG so far (about 2 hours) due to awful cards in position as well as a very passive like table (check call even with very string hands/draws).

One exception is Villain in this hand. MAWG who has been very Laggy, playing more than half the hands and raising a decent % of the time. Hasn't shown down too often but did stack a few shorties, one with an overpair and the other with a made nut flush on river. I have not been in a hand with him to this point.

On to the hand. Hero has AT utg+2, raises to $12 after two folds, MP calls and V calls on button. Hero has $550, MP has $200 and V covers ($750).

Pot: $36 (after rake)
Flop T 6 7

Hero bets $30, MP folds and V calls. Anyone bet bigger or even check here?

Pot: $94 (after rake)
Turn: T 6 7 A

Hero?

If anything, I bet smaller on the river. Like half pot.

On the turn, I continue value betting. So like $50ish turn bet from me?


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With the flop action, hard to think he has you beat. The flop bet size is fine and would bet turn for 70ish. think his action on this street will help define the hand. I would probably do something like >>

Turn: B/F

River:
C/C non club
C/F club
B/C A or T

What kind of LAG is he?

Will this guy float and bet scare cards? If so, I like a check on the turn. Maybe check/raise, maybe check/call, but probably check/raising.

Will this guy raise a scare card? If so, bet/shove.

It really depends on the player.

If you are unsure, just check/call the turn, because he's never folding a flush.

I hate bet/fold vs. a LAG.

Not totally sure as have only played with him for a few hours but I think he is capable of floating/betting scare cards/raising scare cards. But not totally sure. Clearly it is more likely that he could have a flush than me so would not put it past him to represent.

So, I decide it is better to check here for a few reasons: first, I have a very good but not unbeatable hand that wants to get to showdown now and a bet by me could be raised out of the hand (although it seems like some would advocate a bet/shove). Secondly, turn is a great bluff card for a LAG so I can possibly make more $ by checking here and leaving all of LAG's range in the hand. Thoughts?

So I check and V bets $75 and I call relatively quickly. Again did not consider check/raise or bet/shove which might be a mistake.

Pot: $244
River: T 6 7 A 9

Hero?

Given reads (or lack thereof), the check/call is fine. Not a great river card, but hard for him to bluff. I might bet/fold ~$100 or check/evaluate. Really depends. Bet/fold might be best because it's hard for him to bluff this river.

Flop bet a touch less, but ok. Bet 25-30 ott.

AP riv ck-decide mostly folding. I also don't like the turn check at all.

Just bet the turn. Against an aggressive player you shouldn't be too worried about the flush, because the flop is such that virtually any flush draw has additional strength. For instance, QJcc/KQcc/KJcc are double-overcard, anything with the 9c or 8c has a gutshot as well, anything with the 7c has a pair as well, 54cc is an open ender, etc etc. My point is, an aggressive player is going to be raising most of his flush draws on this flop, so when he doesn't raise and it arrives on the turn, I'm not worried. I'm betting like halfpot on the turn and probably shoving over a raise.

As played, I think checkraise turn would be a bit better than check/call, but it's an awkward spot and either is reasonable. River I check/call and hope for the best. I'm basically hoping he has something like a ten or nine and decides to turn it into a bluff, or else puts me on a bare ace and makes a thin value bet with something like worse two pair.

I bet 50 and pretend that the 3 clubs don't bother me at all. May be that he has no club and folds. Reraise all in then you know what you're dealing with.

I see your later update. That river card sucks. I check/call or check/fold here depending on his bet size.

@shorn7, When V bet 3/4+ pot OTT, what range did you put him on? You only have 4 outs vs. a flush, so you must think he'd bet that size with a lot of str8 draws? Maybe A7/6s?

Bluffs. Including with paired hands. Talking about stuff like 97, 87, 86 etc etc.

Bet/fold 70 into 94 on the turn.

As played on turn, call the bet of 75 and reassess on the river.

The river will often be a check/fold.

We capped our range by checking the turn

We didn't cap our range by checking turn. This is a LAG player. Bet/folding this turn w/o more info on how he plays is terrible, especially when we know he plays too many hands and raises a lot. He can float you on every flop and raise all scare cards. Let him bluff the turn. Unless he has the nuts, our call should slow him down.

Bet flop, check/call turn, bet river can be a pretty strong line.

Thanks for all the discussion guys. Good thoughts all. I am especially intrigued by ChrisV's thoughts on V's FD's and the fact that he would likely raise the flop with most of them at least a decent percentage of the time. Hadn't thought of that at the time and maybe does make the turn a bet. Seems read dependent and a play where we simply decide to go with the hand on the turn no matter what. I guess I didn't feel that confident at that point about my two pair, but felt that a call of any turn bet might give V some pause and would also preserve any (small) equity that I have if I bink the river. Need to think on betting here more, so thanks Chris.

So on the river, here is the board again:

Pot: $244
River: T 6 7 A 9

Hero has $433 left and V covers. I thought any reasonable bet here (at least half pot) that got shoved on would make me forced to call as I would be getting over 2.5-1. So I decided to check/re-eval and hope for either a small bet or a check down.

V thinks for a good 15 seconds and pushes out two stacks of red ($200).

Hero?

Yes this was my range and some flushes in there too.

Since you didn't bet the river, now it comes down to a read at the table -- what have his bet sizes been when he had it? When he didn't? Sitting at my desk, I fold.

I really like the bet/fold $100 or even $125 better.

So he had been value betting the river a decent amount for somewhere between half to 3/4 pot. But these were smaller pots overall. This was the largest bet I had seen him make in the session. And yes, a b/f line seems like it might be better as I can set my price and if he has the stones to bluff that river then ok gg sir (altho I cant really have a ton of 8's in my range so my bet would look like either a blocker or small value with a flush).

The bigger bet size makes me want to fold and call at the same time! Seems if he were going for value, he'd make it a little smaller, but ...

Also, I think the $100 - $125 looks like value. Under $100 looks like a blocker, IMHO. The only point not discussed is what your raising range in EP has been? Could you have a flush? Regardless, he's not folding a flush, but he might rep one when you check.

I have had a relatively tight raising range so far from EP. Haven't shown down too many hands TBH...most of my win has been winning pots on the turn. So as far V is concerned, my EP raising range should look like 99+, KQs-AKs, AQ-AK.

So looks like this hand is done being interesting.

I actually was V in this hand and not Hero...Hero called the $200 and I tabled J8 for the rivered straight.

Kudos to ChrisV for smelling lots of bluffs in my range on the flop and turn...don't want him at my table.

Lucky river. What would you have done if you hadn't been so lucky and H checked to you?

(Better yet, what if H had shoved?)

Eliminate bet-call, ck-call, lead from your repertoire.

This river is a very easy fold for me given many of his turn bluff/action freeze raises got there and in order for AT to be good, you need him to float a ton of stuff like KQcx or be turning AJxc into a bluff.

You just don't have anywhere near what you need to info wise to successfully bluff catch facing this line in this game.

I would have made a very similar bet as I think turn/river are really good bluffing cards. I read Hero for a big Ace or OP to the flop for most of his range, but didn't think he had too many flushes (given that in EP , most of his flushes would contain the A).

On the flop, I made a choice to play the hand to try and take the pot away on the turn/river as I had seen this Hero c-bet and fold to pressure earlier in the session. I thought turn card was good news/bad news for bluffing and did think that it was likely I would need to barrel twice to push it through. Then when I binked the river, I tried to size it to look more bluffy so he might get curious and call.

He tanked for a good minute + and then called so maybe my play wasn't as good as I thought.

But ChrisV gave you 200 otr