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This isn't a cooler, imo. We shouldn't have been in the hand to begin with (see my poor IO / RIO reasons), plus raising the turn to build a bigger pot was also very debatable.

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08-28-2017 , 11:31 AM

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flopturntree

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@GG

After reading your initial post over I think you analyzed/played the hand very well and I agree with everything you said.

Definitely in a live game though folding A9s to a min 3b is too weak! Post flop play by OP was solid. Turn raise or turn call is debatable. I do think its a cooler though because after we get to the turn and hit 2 pair we can almost never fold and put V on exactly 1010.

NH, wp

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08-28-2017 , 12:24 PM

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gobbledygeek

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In the end, this is a face up Villain who just 3bet preflop out-of-the-blinds. His hand is face up TT+/AK. Does AK 3bet preflop and then check a drawy flop? Nope. But AA/TT definitely stupidly check because they think they are so far ahead and don't want to kill their action (flop check by Villain is horrible imo as he is often up against Ax that will start paying off before the scare cards come). Does KK-JJ (who can easily check that flop) payoff a turn raise? Nope. And do any of those worse hands that *somehow* show up on the river then donk into the turn raiser? Nope.

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08-28-2017 , 01:30 PM

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flopturntree

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Lol I'm not going to fold for that 65$ river bet after the hand played out this way so yea its a cooler ran into top set when we had top two pair.. Theres definitely some hands we can still beat that V has and getting such great odds

Folding turn with top two would definitely be a mistake so yes it's a cooler..

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08-28-2017 , 01:35 PM

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flopturntree

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

nd do any of those worse hands that *somehow* show up on the river then donk into the turn raiser? Nope.

Ghandismoreofatrainwreckthanacooler,imoG

Yes I can think of a few off hands that may play this way that we beat on the river, AQ, AJ would be good example. He tried to make a spewy small river blocker bet which isn't very good

I snap call here on river folding is crazy

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08-28-2017 , 02:05 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Our read on Villain is miles off if he's all of a sudden aggressive enough to 3bet AQ/AJ preflop OOP and then passive enough to check this flop. As described, he (nor the vast majority of opponents at this level) simply doesn't have those hands.

FWIW, I'm also calling the river. Just not feeling great about it.

GcluelessrangingnoobG