$3-200 spread, $650 eff. Hijack villain I've seen little of. He's opened a few times around 3-4x bb and have seen him play aggressively post flop. He's been the sole aggressor in hands I've seen, no one has 3bet him, CR or anything yet. He hasn't shown down many hands, so it's hard to say in any of the situations what he may have had.

Hero 6 7 in the cutoff.

UTG limps, V in hijack raises to $11, Hero 3B $30, button, blinds, and HJ all call.

Flop ($150):
8 8 9

Blinds check to hijack who donks $30. Hero raises to $75. All fold to HJ who calls.


Turn ($300)
K

HJ donks again to $95.


I have a few questions on this hand:

1. What should the turn action be, considering the max raise is $200?
2. What hands make most sense on this range? This was something I had trouble with as the player did seem to be competent, but couldn't be sure.
3. The flop bet was to probe, but also to setup another semi-bluff on the turn. Would it have been better to just call for a OESD on a paired board? Or better to make a bet here like I did to get hands like QJ or 5s to fold?

I'd probably just flat on the flop. I think you need to manage the pot size a bit better. He doesn't seem like he's going anywhere, so I don't think there's any reason to raise the turn. I think you can call, knowing that you probably double up if you hit your draw.

Why on earth did you raise the flop?

I commented my line of thought in the post.

I understand it, but I don't agree with it. Your draw isn't great, but the turn can really improve your hand. Don't pay too much when you can get a lot of info by just flatting and seeing a turn.

raise to 230 OTF. his donk is screaming weakness/take it away from me please.

AP I put him on exactly JT in this spot and play accordingly dont think we can bet him off so just call and if JT misses I jam river ($200 whatever).

Yes the bet looks weak, but have to factor in we have no other data on the villain. Also, he's still betting into 4 people, two of them who have yet to act and one of them (me) made a 3bet preflop. It's not inconceivable for me to believe he doesn't have a big hand and trying to build a pot.

230 OTF seems like a bad line, only hand that will call me there is one that beats me. That's why I bet smaller to isolate. The other 3 players in the hand are fairly passive and would not be in the hand without an 8 or possibly JT.

All I really can take away from this hand is that if those blinds are regularly calling off cold 3bs I'd be punishing them for bigger 3b value bets with the top of your range. If you're going to 3b 76s IP it should be to isolate because it doesn't play well multi-handed. If your 3b isn't accomplishing that and you're getting 5 to the flop, then you shouldn't be doing it unless you're going to size it larger (whatever it needs to be to eliminate the button and blinds from calling it). I'd rather fold pre than to play 76s regularly against 4 opponents for inflated pots. Unless you've got amazing reads on these guys it's going to be very difficult to play post-flop.

Umm... why? That's certainly in his range, but it's really bizarre to unflexibly put someone on one hand regardless of what happens.

Flop is terrible imo. Accomplishes nothing.

Flat or raise a lot more.

Turn is a flat. We're getting direct odds to draw.
Take them.

Attempting to isolate a player in position that I've seen open several hands accomplishes nothing?

How much larger should the raise be here and why?

Pre was fine. Flop was bad.

I hate the flop play. Raise a lot bigger (like $200 or so) or flat. Our draw is not that great so I probably flat flop and proceed carefully. If there were fewer people in the pot I'd like raising big more.

Your thinking here doesn't make much sense. Of course you only get called by hands that beat you. You're holding 7 high. Your raise is a bluff not for value. You also don't want to isolate here. When you raise flop small you still need to hit to win. You might as well have more people in the pot when you hit. If your outs are dirty (say against TT or T8) your raise isn't getting a fold anyway.

every hand that calls you has you beat no matter what you bet........ so yeah might as well raise big and get more folds.

Exactly what part of his range do you think he donks $30 into four players on this board and then fold for $45 more? I think he is heavily weighted to TT-QQ and I just don't see those hands folding to that bet. He is also not folding any draw for that price.

Your 3! pre and the raise OTF needs to rep at least JJ+ if you expect him to fold like 44-77 If you had JJ+, would you only raise $45 on $210? I doubt it, but none of that really matters. We 3! pre with this hand to get HU IP and nothing else.

That plan failed, so change the plan. Raising with your hand OTF is just bad. You don't have to run them over every time. You are in a great spot to draw, so draw.

I dont mind raising the donkbet since I expect him to be betting for information most of the time here, but you gotta really sell him the information he's looking for. Practically minraising him is not going to scare him off. I normally hammer it 4x their bet size so they can feel comfortable folding. The doubledonk is just what fish do when they realize their first donk accomplished nothing. He probably has a 9 in his hand and doesnt really know what to do, checking feels weak to him and he doesnt grasp the idea of a better hand calling so this is just what he does. I dont think you can really raise as a bluff at this point since there's just nothing in your range that makes any sense anymore. I also find that when fish defend their donkbet and then do it again on the turn it's actually just an assbackwards trap, meaning now he could easily have an 8 and thinks he has to get fancy to get paid.

Also I dont really like trying to iso as light as 67s vs a HJ opening range. Maybe if it was BTN vs CO i'd do it, but even fish tend to have a tighter opening range from earlier positions for what little they understand about ranges.

I disagree. I've been playing a lot on 1/3 lately and Villain's line is frequently flopped trips.

As to the rest, I agree with the field: call, or raise much more OTF and/or flat the turn.

I think there are some misconceptions about my raise on the flop. I'm not trying to get the bettor to fold immediately on the flop, I know that won't work here. I'm made a small raise for 2 reasons; One to see if anyone behind has something here. Two, to setup future bets on later streets if the isolation play works.

I don't always play draws this aggressively, but I do try to mix it up just so I do get some action when I do flop a big hand. Perhaps this was the wrong time to balance my range here. A flat probably would've been better on the flop given I know nothing about the opponent and its a 5-way hand.

As far as turn action, I only called with my OESD and flush draw. River bricked out a 2 , he bet $200 and I folded. No idea what would've happened if I raised to $295 on the turn, which is what I was contemplating.

This is my feeling as well. As I stated in the earlier post, once your 3b pre doesn't isolate you IP and you go 5-handed to the flop your 76s isn't such an amazing hand and you basically need to hit a home run to have a chance to win the pot. I think over-aggression in this situation is lighting money on fire in the long run. Even if you had sized your flop raise larger and everyone folded I'm still not convinced that's the right play, merely the right result. Once your preflop 3b didn't turn out the way you hoped to iso, I think your goal on this flop is to hope you can get a cheap turn and river and hope for a 5 or T on the turn (and pray you don't see QJ) or for a flush card and a decent price on the turn to continue floating.

There are way too many combos on that flop that you're losing to and everyone's range is pretty much uncapped here so you should be wary of all of them.

+1

Very much agree that the double donk on a paired flop from a random V is very often trips (at this level at least). Especially when the turn lead is for a large absolute $ amount regardless of pot size. I highly doubt he is leading $95 with any pp after getting raised OTF. If he really is opening wide he can absolutely have A8s down to like 87s

OP your reasons for raising OTF are not good. The bottom line is V's range has a strong equity advantage vs our holdings and we should not be trying to put more moneys in the pot. If you choose to raise here it needs to be a semi-bluff, with very strong emphasis on the BLUFF.


Board: 8h9s8c
Equity Win Tie
MP3 63.80% 59.47% 4.34% { QQ-22, A8s, K8s, Q8s, JTs, J8s, T8s, 98s, 87s, 76s }
CO 36.20% 31.86% 4.34% { 7s6s }