Main villain in this hand is a 50 something yo pro who has been playing cash games for years.He raises too wide in every position and says himself he relies on postflop skill to be a profitable player. We are 700-800 euro effective in this hand.

OTTH:

Drunk guy arrives at the table and posts sb and bb (he buys in for 100euro). Villain limps utg+1 (this is not a premium hand 95% of the time). 2 more mp limps and I limp btn j8ss placing a 5 euro chip out because i have no singles. Drunk guy thinks its a raise to 5 euro and slides out a 5 euro chip to call which is deemed a raise.every one flats as do I.

FLOP (25euro)

9s9c7s

Checks to me and I bet 15 euro.Drunk guy moans for 30 secs and then calls as does villain.

Turn (70 euro)

Ks

Drunk guy leads 15 euro villain calls and I raise to 95 euro. Villain calls off his remaining stack after saying "*** it ill go play roulette." Villain then back raises to 250 euro.

Hero ??

I decided to sigh fold as I think he has every combo of full house in his range.Fwiw I do not think he ever does this with any flush given that he views me as a nit.(because I dont straddle every hand and b/c i dont have > than 40% vpip in a full ring game lol).

Im also somewhat protected by the AI drunk guy although he has basically signalled he has a weak hand.

Going to post results here because it shouldnt sway anyones reasoning anyway: I fold and villain shows 910os for trips. Quite an advanced play imo given that he knew he was way ahead of drunk guys range and puts me in a rough spot with anything less than a boat.

He goes on to say "I can only do that vs a good player ." I reply with "If i was good enough i wouldn't have folded

Tough one. Why would he raise there with a full house or nut flush? You are most likely folding worse and calling with better. Hard to speculate knowing the outcome: Don't post results, even if you think they don't matter. They do.

Playing live, I would have folded this as well.

But if we really analyze this hand, I believe hero is wayyyy ahead. If we were to get into villain's head it would go like this....

---It is a pretty much a limped pot. Hero bets out flop representing that the hero possibly has trip 9s. Drunk guy puts a small blocking donkbet on the turn and hero raises to 95 euro to protect the trip 9s.---

I think this is where the villain thinks to himself that if he raises and represents a flush... then hero would fold(the supposed trip 9s) and drunk guy is just gambling.

I wouldn't be surprised to see villain with hands like K9,Q9,J9,T9,98 in this case. All of which hero is ahead of.

/level 2 thinking

I mean, I'm not limping that hand on the BTN. I'm either raising it or I'm folding it. If you're not raising that hand then you're playing your premium hands face up.

Thing is that he has a 9 blocking me having one so I think I have more 7X betting for protection and flush draws and open enders. I'm only ever raising turn vs drunk guys donk bet with flushes on the turn and ofc 9X which is significantly smaller part of my range given villain has 910.was a really tough spot because o thought villain. Shouldn't have any semi bluffs in his range obviously I was wrong

I'm sorry but I think this is completely wrong. I'm almost certain the highest ev play in this particular spot with this hand is to limp. I am not ahead of all the limpers range and can easily be dominated post flop when flopping top pair.especially versus limpers limp calling range. Limping ip that plays well mutiway is going to be much better imo.

It has nothing to do with being ahead of their range or having it play multi-way or whether it's +EV, it has to do with you balancing your own range in their eyes and not playing your premium hands face up. If you're only raising top 20 hands on the BTN you have a major leak. Your opening range on the BTN has to be wider. My telling you to raise it on the BTN isn't about this hand, it's about your overall table image.

I'm not telling you to play it aggressively post-flop with top pair, either. You're stacking people off on this hand because of its disguised strength when you get lucky enough to flop 2 pair or better, and you're taking down dry flops with cbets heads-up with position.

I can think of much better hands to balance my range with . I prefer iso ing hands like 45ss which will play worse multiway than J8ss. As I said before the highest ev play with this hand is to limp. So I limped.

You're not going to get suited connectors often enough on the BTN to use it for balance. Suited gappers have to be part of your BTN opening range or else you aren't opening it as often as you should.

If you raise top 20 hands and suited connectors on the BTN you're probably opening, what, 10-15% of your BTN? That's too low imo.

We are talking about a limp from early position and 2more limpers from mp who have decently strong limping ranges from these positions. The title of this thread is "turn line check......" so this is a pointless discussion anyways.