I posted this in the wrong thread, re-posted here.

First post, but have been reading the forums for a while. Let know if you need more of an explanation or if I'm missing something.

Back story: 1/3 NLHE at local casino, max buy-in $200.

I'm an alright player, but nothing special. Play Right/Aggressive. Probably a break even guy, leaning more towards the positive side, but I don't play enough to turn any decent profit. Usually get in a game 1-2 times a week.

I've been at the table about an hour and a half, and I think I've only seen 4-6 flops. I've yet to have to show down any of my hands. One guy comments he would have called a C bet of mine, but he knows I'm tight and I definitely had him outkicked (I had JJ with a K out there, but he folded anyway).

Opponent is directly to my left. He's a regular and usually is sitting pretty whenever I see him. Seems to play loose aggressive, and has been in several hands in which he call/call/folds or calls all three streets with TPMK. Knows when to turn on the pressure though, and wins most of his hands before the river. I wouldn't call him wreckless though. His demeanor is that he talks a lot between hands, but mostly with the regulars. Nice enough guy. Acts somewhat cocky during the hand, and most of his plays are snap and doesn't do much thinking.

He was up near $400 when I sat down, but is down over $100 since I've been there.

I'm sitting in the SB with $234 sitting in front of me. He's in BB with around $270.

A middle position player raises to $10, everyone fold to me.

Look down at J 10. I call.

BB thinks for a second or two and tosses his chips in.

Flop ($30) comes 8 10 2.

I check, BB bets $12, origionally raiser folds.

I raise to $30, BB calls.

Turn ($90) comes A.

At this point, one of the other guys at the table is visibly upset that he folded pre-flop, and it's pretty obvious that he laid down a flush, I'm thinking either the nuts or Q.

I bet $55. BB thinks for a second and confidently declares "I call."

River ($200) comes 3.

I think for a second, bet $80. BB snap raises all-in.

What do you do? How do you play it differently?

Bet the turn a bit bigger and ship the river yourself.

As played the odds are insane but we're almost never good. It's a terrible spot to be in. I guess call because of spazz factor with these stack sizes. But he has to be bad not to have you beat.

what argument do you have there to fold? you hit your hand, you're getting good odds, the other guy thinks OP is a nit, I call there everytime and expect to be good.

BB is loose-aggressive, thinks for a bit pre, donks flop into original raiser, calls a c/r from someone he probably thinks is too tight and wouldn't c/r a flush draw? Ugh. Something here doesn't add up. I call. I expect to see worse flushes here a fair amount. If he did all this with Kx or Qx so be it. He wouldn't have thought twice pre about KQcc unless he was considering an OOP 3!.

What are you hoping to see here?

There is no reason to bet $80 on the river, just shove the river.

As played, sigh call. Get ready to dig into your pocket for a re-buy.

This.

By my math OP has ~125 back? This should be an instashove OTR.

Never folding $45 more here.

If OP is perceived as a nit I expect that his c/r on the flop is viewed as more sets/2pair than flush draws. Combined with the lack of a river shove and V gets it in with worse than 3rd nuts here thinking he's good. 79cc all day. A combo draw makes more sense than anything else given V's line. He thinks twice about calling pre, semi-bluff donks into the original raiser then flats a c/r, feels confident on the turn, shoves river to a bet where hero has left a little back?

I don't see Kx or Qxcc taking this line unless the original raiser had a history of getting passive on flops and folding to donk bets. Unless this guy is super bad a highcard/rag FD has way more c/c value, because it doesn't work as well as a combo draw if raised.

Agreed. If OP is viewed as nit, V probably would not anticipate he would c/r with a flush draw (not counting TP).

Plus I think the river bet looks weak to him, so he's either taking advantage or thinks he's good.

You got in after my ninja edit, sixstring.

I'm saying this is 79cc or villain's an idiot.

Results?

Yeah, I don't think this is a sigh call at all. I like the way OP played it, as long as he calls OTR. I think there is plenty of 2 pair and lower flushes in V's range, especially after we bet only 80 into 200 OTR.

Leaving 45 back otr is such a "I can't believe he called my flopped 2pair c/r move with a flush draw and got there" move.

I thought that he paired the flop and had a big flush draw after the turn, hence the smooth call. Either way, I did not put him on the nuts. (There was something about the way he called the turn. The cockiness in his voice, especially from a guy who's normally pretty quite while in a hand).

I think he pegged with with two overs on the flop, possibly hitting the A with A-J or A-Q.

After the brick on the river, I was fairly confident I had the hand. I know plenty of people think I should have pushed all in, and looking back, I think that is the call I make most of the time. And while this guy was a little loose of a player, I didn't have K or Q suited with a 3-7, and definitely not K-Q. Q-8 through K-10, maybe J-9 with the 9c? Also, with the random dude's reaction after the Ac comes out, I figure one of the two royal C's are gone.

Either way, my bet was intentionally to entice a call, and I was fully prepared for an all in shove. I did not think he would call if I shoved, and I thought I could get more out of him.

After he insta raises, I think for a second and start to doubt myself. But something didn't feel right and it didn't feel like he was completely confident in his hand.

I called, and he flips over 9 4 , and I take down the pot.

He gets up, eventually rebuys and sits back down by me. A few hand later he told me he thought I hit and ace and that his small flush was more than good.

Hand turned out about as good can get, but I definitely don't feel I played it that great. I also think that if this guy actually had the nuts, he would have played it exactly as he did, only with the the dramatic call on the turn.

Lol he thought you checkraised the flop with air lol.

Well, if he flatted pre with 94cc, I guess he would have flatted pre and be the same way with K4cc.

Like I said.

Loads of baby flush...

Getting in a game 1-2 times a week is decent output for a rec player. Unless your sessions are super short, you should start eventually getting an idea of whether you are a loser / breakeven / winner, so long as you are tracking your results.

Preflop is meh. A $10 raise is very small at 1/3 NL, so we're definitely getting a good price, especially if raiser has us covered; we're only putting in 4% of our stack and are getting 26:1 implied odds. However, we'll be OOP, to perhaps just a HU pot (at best 3way), and we do have an easily dominated hand. I would fold preflop; if we had position and think we could steal postflop, that would be enough to sway me to a call (or *perhaps* a 3bet against a weak looking open).

Flopping TP with a draw is a little different than flopping like bottom pair with a draw, imo. In the former, we have a showdownable hand that doesn't necessarily want a big pot unless we hit; in the latter, we likely don't have a showdownable hand and are cool with flexing our FE. The donk is very small and weak looking, but it might be trying to induce a raise. We don't have a nut draw. If he's willing to get all the chips in on the flop, it's likely we're a big dog. We'll be OOP on the turn (so setting up a free card play will be difficult). We have a showdownable hand. SPR is ~8, so still reasonable stacks behind where pot isn't worth going crazy over. I think I just flat here.

I'm not exactly sure what the point of a raise to $30 is. This offers Villain $20 to win $70. He's never folding. Is this just a raise because we think we have an equity advantage? It's unclear we do. The only reason I would raise here is to perhaps flex FE, but this raise size doesn't do that.

You know who folds flush draws on the flop? Nobody. Ever. The other guy didn't fold a flush draw. He most likely folded a big Ax.

We've got about 2x PSB left and the 3rd nuts. We're committed, imo. I'd bet like 2/3 PSB+ ($60+) or something like that in order to shove the river, so turn is fine. I'm never folding.

On the river, we have less than a 3/4 PSB left. If we though Villain was on a busted draw we could just check to induce a bluff, but there ain't many draws that busted (OESD of J9 busted, but other than that, nothing). The only bet here is a shove. As played, easy call (we are often beat, but not nearly enough to every consider folding as worse flushes / sets / maniac bluffs make up enough hands).

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Thanks for the feedback, guys.

Obviously, the hand worked out for me, and ended up doubling my stack, but looking back there are definitely things I would have done/should have done differently.

When I said I play 1-2 times a week, I should have been more specific. It's mainly 1-2 table touny's at a casino about 5 minutes from my house. $45-$65 buy-in. Dabbled in cash games, but have recenty transitioned to playing mainly cash with a tourny here and there.

I'm still feeling it out and am still getting comfortable knowing that each chip represents real money, ya know? I think that is why the c/r was smallish and the river bet I didn't just push all-in. At the time, I felt like I knew what the right move was, but just didn't pull the trigger. I'm not necessarily playing with scared money (my bankroll is alright), I'm just still getting used to it.


The guy who was obviously upset after the turned club folded his hand pre-flop after the initial raise. This is why I put him on clubs and not simply an ace, though I guess the same reaction could have been made if he had A-2, but I don't see how he'd be as upset as he was hitting two pair with the clubs out.

I don't put much stock in this particular read from a player not in the hand, honestly.

I don't mind the light c/r against this particular V but in general top pair+ has showdown value I wouldn't want to give up OOP.