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Old 02-12-2019, 08:23 PM   #26
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Opening the JTo to 4 big blinds from the LJ ( with <100bb stack) is extremely questionable imo
Meh...to each his own. There's more than one way to skin a cat. I play LAGgier than most people here. Especially preflop.
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Old 02-12-2019, 09:49 PM   #27
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Well, the pot was $180, if I bet $130 to put Cutoff all in and he calls, the SB needs 23% equity to call with a FD. She has about 20% so shes barely making a mistake to call and wont be making a mistake at all if she hits the flush and I pay her off.

When I bet $200, she needs 28% equity to call with the FD. Im not saying $200 is correct by any means, but that was my logic. I think I like just jamming it all in better because I do think she would call with a FD at least half the time.
It was too complicated to assess all 3 ranges in their entirety in pokerstove, but from what I got, it was around 15-17% so calling $130 is still a huge mistake. I would have personally bet $140 but not a huge difference.

You're not taking into account that the other caller often has NFD/2NFD and combo draws as well and thus blocks her outs, and thus her call is extremely terrible and a huge mistake with anything but a non NFD even if you bet $130. Her equity given that CO calls drops quite a lot. ie conditional probability. I mean if CO folds and she calls your bet, she's not making that big of a mistake but I'm going off your assumption that your bet puts CO AI > he calls > she ........

$140 or OB all-in as others have stated make more sense than $200 imo.

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Old 02-12-2019, 09:50 PM   #28
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Meh...to each his own. There's more than one way to skin a cat. I play LAGgier than most people here. Especially preflop.
It's okay and i dont mind it at all given that there are a lot of fish and bad players, esp on this table. At a good/aggro table it's torching a lot, but these tables don't really exist that often

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Old 02-13-2019, 10:12 AM   #29
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Seems like a terrible question to have
lol just open everything because you're a lot smarter than the table
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Old 02-13-2019, 10:19 AM   #30
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:34 PM   #31
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Well, the pot was $180, if I bet $130 to put Cutoff all in and he calls, the SB needs 23% equity to call with a FD. She has about 20% so shes barely making a mistake to call and wont be making a mistake at all if she hits the flush and I pay her off.
She actually has 17% because the T is a dirty out and gives you a boat. This spot really isn't thread worthy.

If you don't know what to do just bet 2/3 PSB. $140-150 would have been fine here.

Opening this trash from the LJ when effective stacks are 40-80 BB's is a huge leak but whatever. You play in soft games.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:36 PM   #32
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She actually has 17% because the T is a dirty out and gives you a boat. This spot really isn't thread worthy.

If you don't know what to do just bet 2/3 PSB. $140-150 would have been fine here.

Opening this trash from the LJ when effective stacks are 40-80 BB's is a huge leak but whatever. You play in soft games.
Get a life Troll. Parx is no tougher than anywhere else.
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Old 02-13-2019, 06:35 PM   #33
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Yah I'm such a troll for correcting your faulty math, suggesting a better sizing and pointing out that JTo plays poorly vs. 40 BB stacks, especially OOP.

You're one of a kind Mike, in the worst way possible.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:53 PM   #34
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Yah I'm such a troll for correcting your faulty math, suggesting a better sizing and pointing out that JTo plays poorly vs. 40 BB stacks, especially OOP.

You're one of a kind Mike, in the worst way possible.
Thanks for correcting my math and suggesting a different sizing which may be better.

The rest of the post is nonsense. Opening JT in the LJ is not a leak and I dont really care what the stack sizes are. I guess you only open pps and big aces in that spot? Playing TAG is fine, but I make a lot more money opening more hands.

For almost 2000 hours, Ive kept track of every single non premium hand that I raise with so I know what is and isnt profitable. Im tired of hearing how I cant raise JT or 87s or 64s or whatever. Ive been doing it profitably for a long time and I will continue to do so until enough people adjust and force me to stop.
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Old 02-13-2019, 08:00 PM   #35
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