2-3-5

Hero-$740, has been fairly abc, hasn't been caught getting out of line.

V- 1 $500. Somewhat aggressive player, has opened a few pots to $15 in early position and seemed to play straightforward.

V-2. $440. loose player, has overplayed some hands and will call with a wide range.

V-3 $80 Shart stacker, lost to a set with his last short stack buy.

V1 opens from MP1 for $20
V2 calls
V3 pushes all in for $80
Hero Hold TT in the big blind.

I feel like this is a spot where I have options, also I'm considering the open raise sizing difference in V1's open.

I don't see anything wrong with folding without knowing the range of the short stack. If we flat V1 could come over. We don't have that much room to 4bet/fold/cib without committing our stack which would be terrible for tens so our best plan would be fold unless you want to turn this into a high variance play just jam it for 100 big blinds if you think shorty has some Ax in there but then you have to hope the original raiser folds (as long as you think he is semi wide and not tight pre).

You're OOP and covering all players. This isn't the type of call I'm comfortable making without info on the other 2 villains likeliness of calling. I don't want to play a big pot with TT. You're giving them good odds by calling. Raising puts you in an even bigger pot. I'm really only hoping for a set because a pair of tens aren't going to win. Choose a different situation.

Hey thanks for responding.

I have a hard time folding here because I think I have the best hand a lot. Short stacks in this game push with any decent hand.... He actually showed up with KJhh. Folding never crossed my mind until after the hand. I can' justify pushing four way with 10,10 so folding is tough, but probably the best play based on v1's sizing pre.

Pretty gross spot.

I probably CiB/f (to V1; I'm not folding to V2). It's pretty much nevvvver advisable to commit 35% of effective stacks preflop only to fold, but CiBing looks super strong here and V1 always has us totally dominated when he shoves over it for a midget side pot.

CiB? Not familar with the acronym. Please clarify.

I played it bad and made it $150, vot pusbed on by. 1 and folded to what turned out to be AK

"Click it back." Ie: minraise. Ie: Make it $140.

So you played it almost exactly as I would (assuming you're saying that V1 was the one we folded to). I'm not certain that's the best line, though, as I think all our options suck.

I would fold here as a default play. But mainly to avoid variance.

I mean, V3 may have a range that's like ATs, AJo+, 88+ and if he's good, the occasional A2-5s squeeze, and V1 can have a lot of hands. V2 is contributing some dead money but we are way ahead of what he likely has.

If we raise, V1 probably folds a lot of hands we would like him to fold (AJ/KJ/AQ) but he sometimes has AK/QQ+ which he won't fold to a raise pre. There are many possibilities. Sometimes he raise with suited connectors and folds when we 4-bet.

If we had AK I would be advocating a reraise strat, as I would with QQ. 99- would be a simple fold. JJ and TT? Meh.

Previous posters have said this is a gross spot. I don't really agree. We have 1bb invested in the pot and can just fold our blind as if we have 75o. Not really a big deal. And this feels close to an approx 0 EV spot. So again, I would just fold, or if you feel like gambling, reraise to $200 and see what mr. V1 does. If he goes all in I think we should fold. If he calls I think we should shove all the flops.

The amount of sunk cost we've put into our hand should never have an effect on how willing we are to play it.

This is gross because our hand is ahead of everyone's range, and yet it's tough to figure out how to win money without exposing us to extreme risk.

The short stacker's range for squeeze shoving a 16BB stack is more like JJ+/AK 100% of the time, 88-TT/AJ+ 75% of the time, and any remaining pair/KJ+/AT+/any suited broadway/SCs anywhere from 25-50% of the time, and we're doing very well against that range. And obviously we're ahead of the other players' ranges, but we have limited information on V1's range ATM, and we don't know how to keep them from catching up without making the pot even more bloated.

Looks like v1 had it. Oh well. If he's an aggressive player he's not going to be able to continue very often when you click it back, and you dominate a lot of the short stack's range. click it back/fold is the best line here, and I would click it back with AQo+ and 88+.

Edit: wow my intuitions were totally off here. If the opener is opening like 15% of hands and continues with 3.5% and the short stack takes this line with [AA-55, AK-AT, KQ-KJ, QJ], JJ is only +$5.6 as a cib/fold and TT loses like $29. This is a fold.

Glad you ran the maths on this. I'm surprised but not flabbergasted that CiB/f loses money with TT given those assumptions. I'd expect the short-stacker's range to be weighted a bit against the bottom of the range you gave him, but I'd also expect V1 to find a fold with AK/QQ a decent percentage of the time, so without running any numbers myself, I'd imagine they hover vaguely around where you have them.

I certainly would not do this with 88, though 99 seems closer to me than your math suggests. I would also be inclined to flat/fold AQo as I think this hand's EV improves with more callers, and our position isn't going to be much of a disadvantage with the dry side.