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10-29-2016 , 10:05 PM
1/2 live effective $350
Straddle for 5 and 1 limper, hero in LP 25 aq and bb calls (only saw one hand his KK got stacked by a flopped set on a low brd...seems std) . Hu
Flop 61 kqt bb chks, Hero?
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10-29-2016 , 11:00 PM
I hope you actually raised for value, and not just to "steal straddle."

Given the flop, I check. I'd usually C-bet, but we flopped some decent SDV and if V straddles and calls a range with anything that hit this, he's not folding his equity. Lets control the pot size and just check.
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10-29-2016 , 11:09 PM
Garick, the straddler did not call the raise, the BB did which probably makes his range even tighter. I agree check and see what develops on the turn.
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10-29-2016 , 11:59 PM
I'm definitely not stealing w a marginal hand but wouldn't mind taking it pf. I agree we chk behind here since it's dry and I wonder what could cause bb to call over 12bbs...I put him on at worst ak and a whole bunch of PPs. Anyway, turn 61 k and V bets near psb 59.....Hero?
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10-30-2016 , 12:03 AM
Folding is fine. We are drawing to 3 outs which carry zero implied odds and we may even be drawing dead. His range is likely TT, AK and maybe KQ. There's nothing in your read to indicate he would take this line with JJ. Fold and nh.
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10-30-2016 , 12:35 AM
One annoying wrinkle was that the tp paired up so would he take this ridiculous line having trips? Or he's trying to lvl me into disbelieving he doesn't have it? Annoying as obviously we have the next tptk.
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10-30-2016 , 10:14 AM
Just folding here. Sure, he may not have trips. OTOH, he may have TT or KQ and already have a boat or have flopped a straight with AJ. Just because we have a good hand in general, does not mean that it is a good hand relative to the board and the action.

There's nothing ridiculous about his line. Whether he has a strong hand or not, he's usually going to check to the pre-flop aggressor on the flop. There are some bluffs in his range that think that your check OTF was just weakness, but given that
1) most LLSNL Vs bluff way too little and
2) This board is terrible for bluffing on, as it smacks the hell out of your range and most LLSNL players are also really bad at folding once they hit anything,
there are very few bluffs here. Maybe a few semi's like JsTs, but even that is rare OTT.

On the other hand, if he has the world, he likely missed a c/r OTF or just thought that his Kx is too strong to check twice. His line makes perfect sense for a strong value hand, and I have no idea why you think it's ridiculous.

Some of your other statements make me think you need some more work on the basics and don't have a lot of LLSNL experience.
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agree we chk behind here since it's dry
It's not dry. It's wetter than a picnic in Seattle. It's just that V's range is never bare draws here. If he has a J for the SD, he has a pair to go with it. He's not going to fold his equity, so why bloat the pot and turn our SDV in to a bluff?

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I wonder what could cause bb to call over 12bbs...I put him on at worst ak and a whole bunch of PPs
He has a hand he likes, so he calls the raise. Seriously, have you played LLSNL much? V's do this all the time. They aren't thinking about the fact that they are in bad position, or that the raise is a huge percentage of effective stacks, or even what effective stacks are. They are just thinking "oh, sweet, two Broadway cards!!!"
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10-30-2016 , 10:27 AM
Yes, a fold is probably warranted here. I may have mistakenly put a t otf, don't think there's a flopped straight. Pick a better spot but V lost lots of value w that massive turn bet, which is ridiculous to me despite it being ll.
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10-30-2016 , 11:38 AM
Anyway kinda a silly comment, if we knew everything about poker we wouldn't need to be on this forum.
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