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Trips with weak kicker on dry board facing big river bet from nit? Trips with weak kicker on dry board facing big river bet from nit?

03-21-2014 , 07:29 PM
Hero: Young Asian male. Talkative at table and generally having a good time. Solid loose-aggressive player. Been playing pretty aggressive preflop and taking down pots with cbets after fit or fold opponents miss flop. Also bet a couple of big hands hard and got paid off. Has a strong winning image and image of being action player.

Villain: Tight old man. Not a good player, but seems to be just slightly better than your typical old man coffee. Compared to your typical old man coffee, he seems to be capable of slightly higher level thinking but otherwise plays pretty similar. Has a very static view of hand strengths, and hero has gotten him to fold several top pair type hands before with just a single raise on the flop.

$2/5 NL no max home game

SB
BB
UTG
EP
EP2 Villain ($370)
MP
MP2
LP
Button Hero ($1200)

Hero is dealt K 7

EP 2 villain limps, tight/weak/passive MP 2 limps, Hero raises to $20 as a steal. It's a small raise, but such a bet usually is able to successfully able to steal the pot. Blinds fold, only villain calls.

Flop ($45): K K 8

Villain checks, hero bets $25, villain thinks for a second and calls.

Turn ($95): 6

Villain instantly bets out $75, hero tank-calls.

River: 2

Villain pauses for a second before betting out $200. Hero?
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03-21-2014 , 07:39 PM
With your image? Even as strong as his line is, I snap it off. lots of 99-JJ, A8, and busted FDs in his range, as well as the better Ks.
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03-21-2014 , 07:40 PM
Does he ever bluff...? Any idea on his limp/call range?

I tend to fold here. Despite your LAG image, you look decently strong after calling the turn and yet he bombs a blank river. He shouldn't really expect a fold and never value bets worse. I expect a lot of 88 and 66 here.
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03-21-2014 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
With your image? Even as strong as his line is, I snap it off. lots of 99-JJ, A8, and busted FDs in his range, as well as the better Ks.
You really think tight old man is playing A8 or 99 this way? I sorely doubt that.
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03-21-2014 , 07:46 PM
Maybe not, but I've seen lots of "prefer to be OMC but gotta teach whippersnapper a lesson" guys make these plays.
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03-21-2014 , 07:48 PM
I've played one session with him before and don't recall him bluffing, but he talks nonstop strategy and I definitely wouldn't put a bluff past him. He's expressed shock before and openly questions out loud why I would raise "weak" hands like KT and J9 preflop. He was a statistician before and is a fairly intelligent person and a deep thinker, but poker is clearly not his strong suit. As far as his limp calling range is, I'd say QJ and maybe pocket fives are the weakest hands in it. Premium pairs are unlikely but not totally impossible.
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03-21-2014 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by zxing
Tight old man.
Do you have any idea of V's bluffing tendencies? I'm sigh folding on this river. It makes me sick, but I have due to the statement above. Even though your image is loose I just don't see V playing A8 or pocket pairs this way. If he truly thinks your bluffing he would likely just call your bluffs instead of firing two bullets into you.
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03-21-2014 , 07:53 PM
For villain's tendencies, see post above. Usually, facing aggression from such players I just fold, but it's the bet sizing that bothers me here. I don't think he would bet so big for value. On the turn, maybe, since there are flush draws, but on the river? What old man coffee bets almost pot on the river for value here? They're too worried about "scaring the money away."
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03-21-2014 , 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garick
With your image? Even as strong as his line is, I snap it off. lots of 99-JJ, A8, and busted FDs in his range, as well as the better Ks.
since when do tight old men show up with "lots" of mid pairs here after this largish betsizing?

i'm not even giving him many FD's if he's truly tight, and it's even less likely w/his turn & river betsizes
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03-21-2014 , 10:05 PM
Fold. (I d probably fold turn also)
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03-22-2014 , 12:43 PM
The way you describe it sounds a lot like 6 6
The pause before calling the flop bet followed by a lead on the turn looks a lot like the 6 hit him
I assume from your description of his play he doesn't have K 6 or 6 8 which makes pocket 6's the most likely

If you think he is capable of a bit of Hollywood then he may have KQ or KJ
I am discounting AA and AK from his range as I would expect a re raise pre

It is unfortunate how often we raise with bad hands on a steal then flop great only to be forced to fold the river after investing a fair amount but I think it is a fold here

Good luck at the tables
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03-22-2014 , 01:58 PM
Villain's sizing is excellent. That should tell you something.
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03-22-2014 , 04:10 PM
looks like a Hollywood on the flop with K10+ and max value bet on the river
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03-22-2014 , 05:04 PM
Fold River, looks like a King that he called on the flop with, saw two flush draws on turn and couldnt risk a check/check and a flush card on river and the problems that could pose his thought process.. Looks like you're losing to K10-KQ instead of 88 or 66.

Hand is played perfectly once you don't call river imo. Have to call the turn. If he is playing an 8, or a flush draw, he may bet here to try take down pot and of course a 7 makes you the virtual nuts in this spot. In these cases, following a call on turn, majority of these type of villains will check river.

With bet sizing on river I don't think you're ahead enough in this spot to make a call bases on odds being laid.
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03-22-2014 , 05:16 PM
Hero: Young Asian male.

Villain: Tight old man. Not a good player, but seems to be just slightly better than your typical old man coffee.

I question this assessment. It's a common failure among young male players: assuming that every "old man" (or "old lady", or pretty young lady) is a nit who can't play. For the most part, it's a safe assumption, but I've seen some very sharp older players out there. "Old man coffee" might not be who you think he is.

"He was a statistician before and is a fairly intelligent person and a deep thinker, but poker is clearly not his strong suit".

I wonder about that. It looks an awful lot like he knew exactly what he was doing here. It looks like he's also got a king, and a river call is a war of the kickers.

I would save the $200 and let this one go.
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03-22-2014 , 08:54 PM
His line looks strong, but seems kind of weird that he would set up his turn size so that he has a pot-sized bet left at the end ($250 stack vs $245 pot) and then bet $200. Anything that is calling $200 would call $250. On the other hand, anything that folds for $250 would fold for $200 so maybe he is trying to make a big bluff "cheaply". I'd probably call
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03-23-2014 , 01:18 AM
I would not be surprised at all if he showed up with AK.
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03-23-2014 , 03:03 AM
I would fold on this turn card. Double flush draw on the board makes people with Kx (which is 100% better than your Kx) very scared of you checking behind, so they bet out. If it was rainbow everything I'd be more inclined to call.
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