game is 1/3 NLH

villain is 50s WG sitting with about 200. has been extremely tight in 3-4 orbits hero has been at table, limping maybe 1-2 hands and check/ folding the flop both times. body language and forcefulness of folds has indicated some frustration likely due to being card dead

hero is 20s WG, has not shown down and likely has somewhat TAG image. hero covers v

4 limpers to hero, including v who was in HJ and hero checks A8o in the bb.

Flop (12) 843

hero leads out for 12, all fold except for v who calls.

Turn (35) T

hero bets 20, v thinks for 20-30 seconds and finally calls. body language indicated he was not happy about calling. i thought it was possible that this was an act but thought it was more likely that the tell was legitimate. so at this point in the hand I thought that is range was weighted towards 8x hands, though i thought it also contained some 33 and 44.

river (72) 8

at this point I thought it was going to be hard to get called by any worse hands that didn't contain an 8, so decided to use a larger sizing as I thought v would not be able to get away from any 8x. hero bets 85, v thinks for 10-15 seconds, stacks all of his chips into a single stack and slams them in the middle with authority. his total stack at this time was 169, so it's 84 more to call. hero??

I call because of Pot-Odds number 1, I have trips.
Most likely thing you're gonna see is an 8x.
34 is possible, he'd be pissed.
Doubtful he has a T if read is right.

Sure, he'll show up with 33, 44, for a set here and there but if so, you're coolered, move on.


River is only spot that is arguably debatable: I bet over check, thats for sure. I'm not gonna overbet, most see that as strength; I would bet 48-62 or a small value-bet of like 35ish. I doubt he lays down anything he can call turn cept draw to 30-35. 48-62, he'll call a good amount of time.

But ye when he shoves, I'm always thinking 'oh man' in the back of my head but for the most part it's a fist-pump call.

I think you're gonna see an 8. Unless he leveled you with his acting.




Edit: Oh you know what, 6s, 7s, 5s in his range based upon the acting.

Ye, +1 lul

not a fan of the 2nd barrel on the turn. As played I close my eyes and call. He could be playing a few 8x this way, even if he probably just has 44 or 33

Pot odds say to call

What is his limping range?

Seems like he could have 44 or 33 but would he do the same with JJ+?

OOP i like checking the turn for pot control

Turn bet is fine - bet-call riv is fine, it's reasonable he would shove any 8, moreso if he had 8xss and was prepared to jam any 8/s riv. Pretty much only losing to 8T, sets should be raising turn (granted this kind of V CAN just call them ott IP sometimes and wait for "a safe riv")

why not barrel the turn? v's most likely hands are straights draws and 8x, both of which we want to continue to put money in the pot

You don't barrel the T for pot control. He called the flop. There is a T out there.

You barrel for value on 8, he calls with 77s and less and you charge draws.

Either is ok, depends on your read.


I'm expecting he had 33, 44, TT, or 48, or T8 cause I don't know why else you would post this hand given river action (you're so commited you must call but now you're questioning your call bc you we're beat).

but the T doesnt hit his range hard at all. the only hand he can really have that improves bc of it is 8T or maybe the occasional weirdly played TT

Preflop looks obvious.

If we're leading out, there is no reason to lead out for so much, imo. We're not looking to build a huge pot and this is a pretty dry board without very many draws to charge. If I was betting, I'd just donk $8 and see what happens. Also not much harm in checking this small pot and seeing what happens either, imo. Alarm bells should be going off in our head when this Villain calls this flop.

I'm either/or on the turn. If I'm betting, I'm betting small on this dry board to hopefully still get action from a weaker 8x. But a nitty opponent might give up with 8x facing an overcard and the possibility of a river bet, so I don't think checking is bad here either. If this guy bets when checked to, I might lean towards a fold.

When fit/folders who haven't gotten past the flop continue past the flop, I think we have to be very wary. If we're betting later streets, even on trips, in general it should be to fold to a raise. Course, a lot of it depends on reads too. Does this guy seem like a reggish type player who doesn't overvalue hands? Most reggish players don't raise this river without a boat for fear of being outkicked (since our hand looks like 8x or possibly a boat itself). But if he's a noobish player, we might have to call off more since he thinks the 8x improved his hand (when in reality it pretty much makes no difference vs a guy who just barrelled 3 postflop streets). The fact that he's showing some frustration after just a mere hour of card deadness might lean him towards noobish, but the fact that he hasn't participated in many hands (especially past the flop) kinda contradicts that.

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