NL Hold'em 400 6handed all players have at least 150BB

one limper and a player that seemed solid but opened a lot of pots raised to $12.
I find Q2 on the button and call.
BB and the limper also call.

flop: QJ9

check, check and the initial raiser bets $24. I raise to $60.
Fold, fold and call.

Turn: 4

He checks, I bet $84, he calls

River: Q

He bets $200 into $338....

What am I supposed to do? I think since I raised the flop and bet the turn, I'm representing a strong hand. Would a solid player ever try to bluff here?
I got trips, but is there any hand that's not a bluff that I can beat?
Should I just flat the flop, check back the turn?

What do you think?

you played bad pre, bad OTF, bad OTT, not sure what to make of the river
fold pre
ask yourself why you raise flop.
What do you beat OTR, after his/your line?
this spot is all over the place m8.


yes, since you didn't fold pre
flat this flop,and I am folding your hand if he leads turn, after you flat.

To see if he is just cbetting or if he really has some kind of hand.(If I don't hit the on the turn I would definitely just check back teh turn.)
To not give the other 2guys the odds to call with any one pair hand.

yea, I know I should have folded pre. Loose/shorthanded/most of the time card dead button call I guess

Raising 'to see where I am' is not a reason to raise. Whenever you raise, ask yourself:

Am I getting better to fold?
Am I getting value from worse?

In this case you could get value from a TX, not a worse Queen... So it's thin.

I think if you flat and he leads into you on the turn you now have semi-bluffing opportunity with the backdoor hearts and could put in a raise, but only if he's the type to double barrel with hands he can let go of, so maybe just a flat here as well. Even as I'm typing this I dont' like this line because it's so passive, but with such a marginal holding it's hard to play it aggressively, and the turn gives us some more equity so it's not a fold either. On the river when he leads into you I think it's a bluff-catcher, and a bad one at that. It feels like QT for some reason but I don't think he's bluff-leading on the river. The only hand he could be still in there at the river and bluff-leading is ThXh?

if he's c-beting with air/FOS mode, and you raise, all you're doing is getting him off these hands and he folds, and he continues with stronger range+draws after your raise, which beat your Q2.
Too much to explain here.
Hope somebody can pick it up from here.

Makes sense

Thanks!

Fold pre

Your hand preflop is hot garbage.

Flop raise is pretty terrible. You can easily be bluffed by worse than your hand.
Turn is very marginal.
River looks like a fold.

Yes, your trips are just a bluff catcher. The difference between Q2 and AJ here is pretty small.

I hope it does. Here's just one more tell you gave. On the flop, you made what you thought was a strong raise. But it wasn't. You offered a caller about 4:1 to call. That's a weak bet. You followed it up with with just a 1/2 PSB on the turn. At 3:1, it isn't going to discourage a villain. A smart player is going to figure you're not strong because you would be setting up for a smallish shove on the river if you had a strong hand. Therefore, weak players aren't paying attention to what you're trying to represent. There's no sense to try to fake them out. A player strong enough to understand what you are representing isn't going to interpret it as strong.

And yeah, fold pf.