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Trips and FD on the Turn Facing Aggression Trips and FD on the Turn Facing Aggression

06-25-2013 , 05:39 PM
1-2. Effective stacks ~180. Hero is white, late 20s, dressed casually. Plays TAG, but I was rather talkative. Combine that with my youth and terrible competition and god only knows what my image is to these ppl.

V1 has been on a hot run of cards. Has showed down multiple monsters. I get the sense that he's loose passive, but lack evidence.

V2 is a typical loose passive.

3 limps to V2 who limps in MP. Hero limps in the CO with 7c8c. V1 completes SB. BB checks.

6 way flop ($12) JcTc8d. V1 leads out for $10. Folds to V2 who calls. Hero calls.

3 way turn ($42) 8h. V1 bets $20. V2 raises to $45. Hero?
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06-25-2013 , 06:05 PM
I call here. V2's range is wider than it may seem at first. And you have good equity against anything other than a FH.
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06-25-2013 , 08:01 PM
How would you range V2? And given the bet and the raise, I'm not all that worried about flush over flush if I hit the river. Is this correct thinking against typical villains? Appreciate the response.
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06-25-2013 , 08:36 PM
Grunch

I like the limp behind pre, seems like a good spot to see a cheap flop and get out unless you flop something nice. Okay... so now you flopped something nice. I would raise the flop, probably something like $60. Probably jam the turn if called. You simply have so much equity against so many one pair and one pair/straight draw type hands. This seems like a good spot to balance the times you have two pair/sets/straights. I'm also not super happy to simply draw to the flush multi-way since it's only 8 high.

As played OTT, I would flat and evaluate the river action. Doesn't seem like jamming would get anything better to fold and if you are ahead now it's probably by a decent margin.
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06-25-2013 , 11:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cannabusto
How would you range V2? And given the bet and the raise, I'm not all that worried about flush over flush if I hit the river. Is this correct thinking against typical villains? Appreciate the response.
Case (a) he is a bad slow player and has two-pair type (JT or overpair), FH type, or flopped straight (discounted maybe).. perhaps some straight + flush draw that is picking a bad time to semi-bluff

Case (b) The 8 suddenly improved his hand... so combo draws like 98, 87, A8?etc.. You have a lot of ways to a chop if not to outright take the pot with your draws. Even the baby end of the straight is probably good against his range.

I lean towards Case b.
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06-25-2013 , 11:41 PM
hard to make a big mistake here, i flat.
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06-26-2013 , 12:58 AM
I like raising the flop IP. With your stack size and equity i shove the turn when the 8 hits.

As played flatting isn't a bad idea but i also wouldnt mind a raise here. the re raise isnt that strong but I am kind of aggresive. I get why people would want to flat. But given their loose passive image the range is wide enough that raising here could be a good move.
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06-26-2013 , 12:50 PM
Haha so a "loose passive" villain just c/c'd flop and raised a paired turn in a multiway limped pot? Yea pretty sure you're going broke here.

Best hope is he's spazzing with a horribly played JT or that you have redraw outs to a spazzing Q9.

Feels alot more like exactly a boat however.

I suppose flat is best...not sure if it matters.

I also raise/iso pre.
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06-26-2013 , 12:54 PM
Grunch

Preflop: One of the rare times limping looks to be best play.

Turn is easy call.
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06-26-2013 , 04:47 PM
Hero's reads on both villains is loose and passive. So with a bet and a raise on a very coordinated board and trips, crappy kicker I don't mind a turn fold. What range of hands can villain re raise on the turn. Full house, straight? 10/8, J/8, Q/9. I hate it, but what hands is a loose passive raising here that we beat? Also possible we hit the flush or fill up, and we're still beat.
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06-26-2013 , 05:00 PM
Prob a way ahead way behind scenario unless he has Q9. Raising flop might be good here. AP I flat turn eval river.
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06-27-2013 , 08:05 PM
So I shoved on the turn for ~$170 total. V1 folds. V2 calls and shows Q8. I rivered a flush.

This is yet another case of playing too aggressively. Raising the flop has merit, as does raising pf, but I think raising here was spew city. Hands like this are forcing me to learn the importance of protecting my stack and controlling pot size.
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06-27-2013 , 10:15 PM
I can tell you this.. folding is not happening on the turn unless you got some sick read. I lean towards wanting to jam, but idk honestly I think that may not be the best play because if he's got an 8 it's probably better than yours, you are behind to a straight. Flatting and calling any reasonable bet OTR? What do you guys think? If we flat and he shoves river I'm hard pressed to believe we are good here enough of the time. If we had A8 I am fist pumping and welcoming all bets. Hmm.. I think this is actually a good hand to discuss.

Raising the turn pretty much commits us to getting it in. Flatting allows us to get away, although we've put in 1/3 of our stack so folding OTR is a puke fold.

I posted before reading results ---^

Last edited by dark_hatchling; 06-27-2013 at 10:17 PM. Reason: Posted before reading results ---^
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06-28-2013 , 07:37 PM
In retrospect, I like flirting myself. I just don't see myself getting called HU much worse when I raise here. And I'm certainly not folding out better.
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06-28-2013 , 10:29 PM
sorry i misread your hand. definetely flatting in position here, getting it in if it comes down to that on the turn.
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06-29-2013 , 12:47 AM
**flatting not flirting haha
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