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Old 07-26-2017, 06:55 PM   #26
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Re: Trips with AKo facing river check-raise

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Given this (which I agree with), I think that makes checking back the flop hardly terrible (especially against this guy).

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Turn ace is one of the best possible runouts for that line. Its a lot less good on other runouts.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:28 PM   #27
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The point about discounting was due to the villian checking both the flop and turn. Assuming most players that tried to trap the flop with a set/aces up or checked a pair of aces are going to lead the turn.

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There was a flush draw out there and the board paired. Ive seen people get really passive with sets when they boat up and there is a draw on the board.
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Old 07-26-2017, 07:29 PM   #28
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Re: Trips with AKo facing river check-raise

I usually don't love the logic of we are underreped and we have a good hand so we have to call but here I think we do. He can be moving in with worse hands for value. AJ isn't a bad move in and a rec player can definitely be moving in with a lot of worse aces. I wouldn't be so quick to discount the 44 combos though. He essentially never has 55 here.
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Old 07-26-2017, 09:41 PM   #29
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Re: Trips with AKo facing river check-raise

Thanks for the constructive criticism everyone. gobbledygeek - I've always been a fan of your posts on here and your views tend to be right on, so it's nice to hear you understood and agreed with my logic for most of my decision points in this hand.

I think my biggest mistake was getting tunnel vision on the flop and taking a line meant to exploit the known villian when (Hello!) we're actually 4 handed here and should be betting this multiway.

I think not 3betting pre was a smaller mistake. I took an exploitive line intending to squeeze the expected 3better on my left, which didn't work out. If you said that this mistake set us up for the multiway flop and later mistakes, I wouldn't disagree with it though.

On the river I tanked and nearly folded. The decision point for me was whether I thought the villian would take this line with an A and a worse kicker than us. Given the first read of him being a rec player with a mixed drink, I decided to call. Villian showed 2c3s. Fwiw, he turned out to be a big gambler and donated a hefty amount to the table later.

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Old 07-26-2017, 11:59 PM   #30
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Re: Trips with AKo facing river check-raise

I dont mind the preflop play as you had a plan but it didnt work out, it happens.
The biggest mistake was not betting the flop your hand is under repped and anyone with an ace is going to peel at least 1 off anyone with a flush draw is calling hell even a Qx might call depending on the game.
The turn as played is pretty standard i think, given the action I would probably do the same with Qx as it feels like noone has an ace at this point.
River was a very nice value bet but when raised am not feeling great, would AJ be crai in here? Against an unknown player first hand in general I would say maybe but leaning more towards no than yes.
I read all the post before seening the results and my first instinct was this guy had 23dd (people dont usually post hands where they won )
If this guy had worst than AK on river I just dont think he would be doing this but if I am in that current situation I think i would probably call it ofd

P.s. Was it 97 more to call after you bet the 65 or 162 more to call after the 65 bet???
If it was 162 more I could probably sigh fold there if only the 97 sigh call

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Old 07-27-2017, 12:28 AM   #31
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I dont mind the preflop play as you had a plan but it didnt work out, it happens.
The biggest mistake was not betting the flop your hand is under repped and anyone with an ace is going to peel at least 1 off anyone with a flush draw is calling hell even a Qx might call depending on the game.
The turn as played is pretty standard i think, given the action I would probably do the same with Qx as it feels like noone has an ace at this point.
River was a very nice value bet but when raised am not feeling great, would AJ be crai in here? Against an unknown player first hand in general I would say maybe but leaning more towards no than yes.
I read all the post before seening the results and my first instinct was this guy had 23dd (people dont usually post hands where they won )
If this guy had worst than AK on river I just dont think he would be doing this but if I am in that current situation I think i would probably call it ofd

P.s. Was it 97 more to call after you bet the 65 or 162 more to call after the 65 bet???
If it was 162 more I could probably sigh fold there if only the 97 sigh call

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162 more after the 65. He bought in for the 300 max so 18 pre + 55 turn + 65 river + 162 raise.

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Old 07-27-2017, 01:50 AM   #32
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Re: Trips with AKo facing river check-raise

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Thanks for the constructive criticism everyone. gobbledygeek - I've always been a fan of your posts on here and your views tend to be right on, so it's nice to hear you understood and agreed with my logic for most of my decision points in this hand.

I think my biggest mistake was getting tunnel vision on the flop and taking a line meant to exploit the known villian when (Hello!) we're actually 4 handed here and should be betting this multiway.

I think not 3betting pre was a smaller mistake. I took an exploitive line intending to squeeze the expected 3better on my left, which didn't work out. If you said that this mistake set us up for the multiway flop and later mistakes, I wouldn't disagree with it though.

On the river I tanked and nearly folded. The decision point for me was whether I thought the villian would take this line with an A and a worse kicker than us. Given the first read of him being a rec player with a mixed drink, I decided to call. Villian showed 2c3s. Fwiw, he turned out to be a big gambler and donated a hefty amount to the table later.

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yeah i misread the action as well. Villan C/R is gross, but i stand by the call cuz he def couldve spazzed with Ax often enough, but he isnt bouffing here, so I dont think id call with much weaker. rec players gonna spike you sometimes, sucks.

I think youdve snapped this off with 44, and 23 is the only hand between 44 and AK, which you just cant put him on that often.
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