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Old 08-11-2018, 08:14 PM   #1
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Triple barrel the sb OTR?

5/5NL 800 eff


Table very tight and passive; minimal limping


Mp limp
I go 25 in CO A9
Sb calls young Asian headphones unknown, limp calls
Flop QT8r (75)
X, X, 40, only sb calls
Turn K (155)
X, 110 call
River 6 (375)
X, Hero? Give up? Sizing?
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:19 PM   #2
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

Give up flop
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Old 08-11-2018, 09:19 PM   #3
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

Check flop. You have a weak draw and likely don't have the best hand on the flop. Check and hope to catch something.

Turn is a bad card. You are repping very thin and it's easy for villain to have a pair+a jack that isn't give up easily. River changes nothing and bluffing is a bad idea. If you do want to bluff $200 but it's a good situation for a good villain to bluff catch because a bet is representing so thin.
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Old 08-11-2018, 10:45 PM   #4
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

+1 check flop.

You tried to iso limper and the plan failed. Not the end of the world but then you got a ****ty flop with little chance of a c-bet taking it down.
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Old 08-11-2018, 10:48 PM   #5
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

I'd bet $250 otr ap, but imo pre is debatable, flop is bad, turn is terrible.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:02 PM   #6
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

Pre, lots of folding and I am IP with a postflop edge. I agree that flop cbet can go either way and checking is fine IP.

OTT, an overcard is one of the best cards I can hope for, and we pick up a gutter. He will continue to lots of pair+sd now like JT, 9T, etc and has capped his range when he flats that scary board.

Is it spew that, OTR, I feel like I have a shot to fold out MP like QJ, JT, T9, etc? I'm I leveling myself by thinking this V type can also be aware that turn is a good scare card for me to bet, and is forcing me to fire river before he lets it go?
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:14 PM   #7
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

OP you need a give up range
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:15 PM   #8
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Pre, lots of folding and I am IP with a postflop edge. I agree that flop cbet can go either way and checking is fine IP.
Who are you agreeing with? All four of us said check flop.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:17 PM   #9
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Pre, lots of folding and I am IP with a postflop edge.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:24 PM   #10
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Who are you agreeing with? All four of us said check flop.
I agree that you can make a case for that and it is not a clear cbet here.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:26 PM   #11
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OP you need a give up range
Lots of cards I would check back OTR...any board pair, any J,7,8,9,A,

I don't think this is a river I can give up on.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:32 PM   #12
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Pre is debatable as cheese said. Normally I can look at a hand and say ok I make that play some % of the time but not too often, but this postflop line is just a dumpster fire. If you fire flop and turn here you're bluffing way too much.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:33 PM   #13
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

The King is a good card for Villain's range. He has 12 combos of AJ, 12 combos of KJ, 9 combos of KQ, 3-9 combos of KT, not to mention other pairs that picked up OESDs.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:38 PM   #14
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The King is a good card for Villain's range. He has 12 combos of AJ, 12 combos of KJ, 9 combos of KQ, 3-9 combos of KT, not to mention other pairs that picked up OESDs.
I agree that it's not a card that I can to get a lot of folds on OTT, but I think it sets up a profitable river bet if he just flats the turn, no? You can remove a ton of those combos you just listed when a live player just flats the turn. He is left with a lot of combo draws that brick out OTR, and I don't know if he can call with 1p OTR
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:40 PM   #15
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I agree that it's not a card that I can to get a lot of folds on OTT, but I think it sets up a profitable river bet if he just flats the turn, no? You can remove a ton of those combos you just listed when a live player just flats.
You can remove most of the AJ but it would be pretty spewy to raise two pair or KJ.
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Old 08-11-2018, 11:50 PM   #16
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Well I said you have a profitable bluff on THIS river. The problem with your logic is you have to fade a bunch of stuff to get to a profitable bluff on the river. First of all you have to fade getting check raised ott, which happens because he has all the AJ's, KQ's, and some J9's and slowplayed sets in his range. If he just calls, you have to fade the Ace, Nine, King, and Queen as the river card. If you fade all of those things, you'll have a +EV river bluff. But the EV of that bluff has to be large enough to make up for the many times you lost your $110 turn bluff.
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:03 AM   #17
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Well I said you have a profitable bluff on THIS river. The problem with your logic is you have to fade a bunch of stuff to get to a profitable bluff on the river. First of all you have to fade getting check raised ott, which happens because he has all the AJ's, KQ's, and some J9's and slowplayed sets in his range. If he just calls, you have to fade the Ace, Nine, King, and Queen as the river card. If you fade all of those things, you'll have a +EV river bluff. But the EV of that bluff has to be large enough to make up for the many times you lost your $110 turn bluff.
That's fair. I think getting to the river in this exact spot has made me realize I may be over-bluffing, especially when V tanked and turned his hand face up before acting OTR.
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I think I am trying to move V's off made hands too often at 5/5 and this may be a tactic more effective at 5/10+. Or maybe gain more info on V before making these type of plays.
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Old 08-12-2018, 02:22 AM   #18
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Re: Triple barrel the sb OTR?

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Pre, lots of folding and I am IP with a postflop edge. I agree that flop cbet can go either way and checking is fine IP.

OTT, an overcard is one of the best cards I can hope for, and we pick up a gutter. He will continue to lots of pair+sd now like JT, 9T, etc and has capped his range when he flats that scary board.

Is it spew that, OTR, I feel like I have a shot to fold out MP like QJ, JT, T9, etc? I'm I leveling myself by thinking this V type can also be aware that turn is a good scare card for me to bet, and is forcing me to fire river before he lets it go?
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Lots of cards I would check back OTR...any board pair, any J,7,8,9,A,

I don't think this is a river I can give up on.
You check back Js that give you a straight?
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