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Triple Barrel Bluff DeepStacked 1/2 Triple Barrel Bluff DeepStacked 1/2

01-28-2018 , 10:01 AM
Villains Description
Loose Passive. Limps a lot of pots and only continues with what seems to be strong range. I have seen him raise preflop one time is 3 hours since I had my table change. Late 30's Indian guy. Anytime he has gotten to showdown he always has the top of his range never calls down light.

STACKS

Villain-$640.00

Hero-$1020.00

EP- limps 2.00

Hero Button - raises $15.00 Ak

V big bling - calls $15.00

EP- folds

POT=$32.00

FLOP 244:

V- checks

Hero- cbets $25.00

V-calls $25.00

Turn- Q

V-checks

I thought this was a great card to double barrel on to put pressure on 55-JJ...this villain isn't capable of 3 betting pre without AA or KK and we block those anyway. Also we block AQ KQ but villain folds that on the flop. Maybe A3 A5 suited or also Ax hearts that floated flop and now calls turn with flush draw but again I think villain doesn't float flop with Ax sooo at the time I have him polarized to mid pairs

Hero- bets $55.00

V-calls $55.00

POT= $192.00

River-10

V- checks

Hero- bets $150.00

THOUGHTS ON BLUFF LINE ????????
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01-28-2018 , 12:01 PM
LLSNL Vs are notorious unbelievers on paired boards, especially when the pair and the odd are all low cards. They know you didn't hit a 224 board, and for some reason they discount overpairs that they would usually have in you range on a ragged flop. I've pretty much given up c-betting paired flops with air entirely. Instead, I'll usually go for a delayed c-bet OTT.

AP, agree that turn is a good barrel card, but once he calls it, I'm done. Even if he has 55-JJ (which I agree dominate his holdings, though he has A4s, 44, etc. in there too), if he called with it twice, I don't think the Tc is the card that will make him unwilling to call a third time.

If I did barrel, I wouldn't make it that big. $100 probably gets just about as many folds as $150 here.
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01-28-2018 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
LLSNL Vs are notorious unbelievers on paired boards, especially when the pair and the odd are all low cards. They know you didn't hit a 224 board, and for some reason they discount overpairs that they would usually have in you range on a ragged flop. I've pretty much given up c-betting paired flops with air entirely. Instead, I'll usually go for a delayed c-bet OTT.

AP, agree that turn is a good barrel card, but once he calls it, I'm done. Even if he has 55-JJ (which I agree dominate his holdings, though he has A4s, 44, etc. in there too), if he called with it twice, I don't think the Tc is the card that will make him unwilling to call a third time.

If I did barrel, I wouldn't make it that big. $100 probably gets just about as many folds as $150 here.
A c-bet is not trying to fold any pairs, though. IME, most villains have a high fold rate on these boards because they have so many weak, unpaired hands that won't/can't continue.

c-betting $10 with our entire range and playing poker on the turn accomplishes a lot here. Most of the hands in your range benefit from a bet either as value, a bluff or protecting equity. A 1/3 PSB only has to work 25% of the time to auto-profit, and it's very hard for villain to defend 75% of his range even against a bet so small (try to do it for him and see what types of hands he has to continue with). With AK specifically he will tend to fold hands that have decent equity like QJ/QT/JT etc, call with some Ax that you dominate, and call with PPs which you have decent equity against.

You can make a case for sizing up with your value hands this deep since a lot of villain's continuing range (PPs, mostly) is insensitive to price up to around pot.

I'm not sure I like barreling both the turn and river. If his range on the turn is mostly 55-JJ, I'm not sure he'll fold much to a second barrel. If he is folding those hands a lot he's left with a lot of hands he's unwilling to fold by the river. If he's folding those hands at some appropriate middling frequency on the turn triple barreling could be good and this is a good hand to do it with as we have two overs on the turn and block his calling range on the river (A4, AA/KK/AQ)

Villain is uncapped on this board, so I'm not sure I want to overbet river as a bluff and wouldn't do it for value either. I think your $150 sizing gets a fold from the hands we're targeting.
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01-28-2018 , 02:27 PM
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A c-bet is not trying to fold any pairs, though. IME, most villains have a high fold rate on these boards because they have so many weak, unpaired hands that won't/can't continue.
That's not my experience at all. I see unpaired overs calling more often than not at 1/3 and below.
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01-28-2018 , 02:45 PM
Garick I agree...against a thinking player which is rare at 1/2 I bet 100 on this river ...but against your typical 1/2 villain I like to put emphasis on the size of the bet
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01-28-2018 , 02:55 PM
Why you bluffing the flop with like the tenth nuts? Check flop or bet it small for value/protection.

It's a good board to barrel in general, but there's no need to do it here.
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01-28-2018 , 03:00 PM
Never try to bluff a guy that never calls light after the flop. If you won, congrats. You got lucky and/or your reads are bad.
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01-28-2018 , 03:02 PM
I'm c betting the flop because I still have best hand most of the time lol I don't get what you're saying plus I have position...if I check back I will have to call most turns and now I don't know where I am at
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01-28-2018 , 03:07 PM
plus villain and I are deep its not like he has 100bb infront of him if he has 200 I can c bet 10 15
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01-28-2018 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz
I'm c betting the flop because I still have best hand most of the time lol
So then you're value betting flop? That's fine, but I think this is a really big bet for a thin vbet.

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plus I have position
One of the main advantages of position is that you can close the action of a street by checking back.

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if I check back I will have to call most turns and now I don't know where I am at
I don't see why "having" to call most turns is a problem. It commits no more money than betting the flop while getting you all the way to the river.

You're also preparing against the wrong hypotheticals. By your description, villain is loose passive. That means his calling ranges are wider and more inscrutable than his betting ranges, so betting doesn't give you any better idea of where you're at than letting him bet does. More likely, he's going to check most turns with the range we're trying to see showdown against.
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01-28-2018 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
That's not my experience at all. I see unpaired overs calling more often than not at 1/3 and below.
It could be your games are different than mine, or that I haven't played any significant volume below 2|5 in a year and a half.

It might discourage me from bluffing with the bottom of my range, but I'd still like to play AK specifically as a bet for the reasons I mentioned. Worse hands can call and that's good. If we could see villain's cards, how often would he have a hand against which we wouldn't choose to bet AK?
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01-28-2018 , 04:39 PM
and Ill be humble and honest and admit I have never played higher than 1-3. I believe people forget how soft 1-2 can be. imo a loose passive player at 5-10 is different than a loose passive player at 1-2. but poker is a game incomplete information which is why we post hands to gain others opinion....thanks guys!
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01-28-2018 , 05:42 PM
this, unlike 98% of bluffs posted here, is a good triple.

Flop can be explo smaller though technically our cbetting range prefers larger sizing on this texture. Turn can be a smidge larger.

We’d also prefer to have a different king but w/e.
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01-28-2018 , 06:05 PM
Avaritia thanks! I'm surprised I figured more people would agree this is a great triple barrel board
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01-28-2018 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooo13zzz
Avaritia thanks! I'm surprised I figured more people would agree this is a great triple barrel board
Again, it's a great line to run with hands that are actually bluffs: 98s/KJ and so forth (except I'd bet flop smaller). It's just not necessary when you're ahead of the majority of hands you folded out.

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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Flop can be explo smaller though technically our cbetting range prefers larger sizing on this texture.
What makes this flop so awesome for us is how hard it is to have a hand worth continuing with. So when you bet close to PSB, you give him the easiest out possible: just folding a whole lot.
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01-28-2018 , 07:41 PM
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Again, it's a great line to run with hands that are actually bluffs: 98s/KJ and so forth (except I'd bet flop smaller). It's just not necessary when you're ahead of the majority of hands you folded out.
I agree but in 1-2 these players really focus on the dollar amount and we got lucky with a great run out ...I like to go large against these players
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01-28-2018 , 07:52 PM
Spoiler:
villain goes into tank and mucks 88 face up and says nice catch with the Q
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