Hi all,

Hero is at a pretty tough table with lots of good regs, including V. One limp in EP and hero on BTN raises to $15 with AJo. V in BB calls, as does EP limper. Pot $38.

Flop: Jh-10h-3d.

BB donks $45, limper calls, hero calls. Pot $173.

Turn: 5h. We all check.

River: 10d. V bets $125. Limper folds. Hero?

I feel like if I bet the turn I would have a much easier decision if V c/raised or bombed river. As played, my hand is underreped, but is it strong enough to call? Does V really bet $125 with QJ and KJ (or AJ)?

Thanks,
DT

Hand looks well played. Now fold river.

In my experience donk leads from decent regs are mostly strong value or strong draws and not many 1 pair hands. And other than some straight draws, everything beats us now.

If we had the A i might be slightly more inclined to look him up, but since he is essentially repping a full house, i'm not sure how much that matters.

Yeah, no Ah in my hand. I was the effective stack with $350 or so, by the way. Forgot to post stack sizes in OP.

Grunching:

Pre and flop are standard and correctly played by hero.

Turn bet would be too thin IMO. You are basically just hoping for calls from KJ, QJ, and J9. Given flop sizing, the last two aren't that likely. J10 and AJ more likely and you double block AJ. Besides, at this point, a bet is probably folding out the hands you beat.

River: Just fold unless you have a super good read that V bets spewy thin for size, and even then it's marginal at best. (Prolly not even.) V overbet that super wet three way flop with something. Unless he is terrible, he'll just want to see SD with J-x worse than yours. J10 now perfectly fits his play (nothing else does), and your hand isn't that strong at this point anyway.

Now that I think about it, we probably should include KQ and 10,9 suited (other than hearts) in V's range. Should still be a fold though.

I'll assume $300 (100bb) stacks.

I might raise smaller preflop; I'm simply trying to take it down / create a HU for as cheap as possible with this type of hand without building a huge pot that can quickly get out-of-control. Can't recall the name of the recent trolling-type poster who doesn't seem to be around anymore, but in general I agree with his idea that you almost never want to create big pots with AJo. Not sure I could actually overlimp it on the Button vs just one limper, but I'll admit that thought has also begun entering my head of late. Last night I saw the best player at my table overlimp the whale with AJo in MP-LP at a loose table (admittedly if he raises he's expecting a very multiway pot, something that isn't necessarily what we'd expect in this spot), but at the very least it's tuned me into to a different possibility versus what I've always considered "standard".

Kinda the difficulty we get ourselves by raising and going 3ways in that we've created a meh SPR of 8 where we'll have to be careful of commitment. With a big donk and call, I might actually lean to just folding the flop.

Fine with the turn play. I'm just looking to get to showdown at this point.

Tough spot on the river but I just don't think enough typical villains are bluffing this board 3ways nor value betting worse enough. Unless we've seen some aggroness from him in this regards (can he do this with KQ?), I probably lean to a sigh fold; against anyone who can bluff / overvalue hands, then likely leaning towards calling.

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please post pot amount without deducting rake and promo. im on tilt right now

The river would really depend on who the BB is. In my experience players OOP don't usually donk the flop for pot (45 into 45) into two other players with a FD. However, it might be a hand better than top pair.

Why should you not take out rake? Makes perfect sense to me because that’s the effective amount in the pot

I always deduct rake from my hands.

Anyway, I think if I am going to continue in this hand OTF, I raise there to take control of the hand (and potentially fold to a 3! depending on where it comes from). There are just too many cards OTT that suck for us and make us hesitate (like what came). That puts us in a very awkward position for the rest of the hand as we have very little idea of V's actual ranges. Raise also puts maximum pressure on draws and weaker Jx.

AP, if you choose to just flat the flop as you did, then I fold the river here. V's line looks like a flush to me where he was trying to go for a CRAI on the turn but no one bit so now he is sizing up on the river to get value by looking bluffy.