Haven't posted in forever and been meaning to tell this hand that occurred a few weeks ago. I've forgotten some details but I'll try the best I can. Gonna try to post this in PAHWM style. The game is 1/2 uncapped. Plays exactly like 2/5 with frequent straddles.

V1(~300): Late 30's regular. Plays for a living. Pretty solid and hardly gets out of line. Hero has played with him on several occasions.

V2(easily covers both): Late 40's regular. Owns a furniture business. Spewy at times. Overvalues hands in certain spots(TPTK). Weird betting patterns and sizes. Hero has played with him a few times.

Hero(~650): Mid 20's Asian. Classic nit/STAG. This particular session has been pretty active opening pots, frequent cbetting, and caught bluffing twice in large pots. Probably viewed as agro/spewy by most of the table.

Unstraddled pot.
Folds around to V1 in MP who limps.
V2 limps in the CO.
Hero limps OTB with Q4. (No idea wtf Hero was thinking, brain fart not to raise or even fold pre.)
SB completes.
BB checks.

Flop J74.
SB and BB check.
V1 leads for 8.
V2 calls.
Hero raises to 25. (Yeah sizing should be bigger.)
SB and BB fold.
V1 flats.
V2 reraises to 100.

Hero?

I think this is almost never a set, but much more likely a stupidly played TPTK or 2p. (Maybe even T9 T8 56 type hands, but that seems less likely) We've got fantastic equity against all of these hands, but it's hard to tell which one it is.

I think that raising will get called by all hands that are currently ahead of us and just bloat the pot even more. Lets keep our IO and position by flatting here and seeing a turn.

Also, fold pre.
But yeah, you know that.

Never folding this pre OTB 150bbs deep without a raise in front. It's either limp behind or iso and I think I like iso best.

Flop raise is good. We'll get a good amount of folds, if 1 of them calls we can barrel overcards and probably get Jx to fold at some point, and worst case scenario is we get 3-bet in which case we can still call getting implied odds.

A back raise is always a super strong hand so I would expect to see 77 or 44 here. Maybe 56dd at worst. So a call is good.

Fold pre.

I only like a flop raise in these spots if we expect to take it down a lot. Both Vs should have plenty of FE, raising just to bloat the pot in case we hit the fd isn't a good plan. Raise to take and if we don't take it, we have a lot of turn cards that could help.

With the call/raise I think about laying this down. I know V's description is overvaluing hands, but call/raising into 2 people is more than just overvaluing TP. This is a serious question... what turn card would you want to see most? Adiamond I guess? V2's action is representative of more than just a fd, but V1 is still to act behind who can very likely have 1 of the better fd's. I know it's nitty, it seems that in most of my posts I'm saying to fold, but everyone's aware when they flop boats and don't get paid off, not everyone notices that they could have lost less when they had losing hands.

Definitely a stupid hand. I was caught off guard. Maybe I thought I was in the bb. Idk.

yeah this kind of line is almost always a monster. I'd expect him to have a set here and play the hand accordingly (Call now)

I think limping is better than raising pf.

Flop raise is fine, as played it's an easy call, you know you are behind but have strong draw.

What are the merits to limping this hand pre?

If we were HU I'd agree. There'd be no way he could have better fd AND better pair, sets are all that really suck. But given that V1 lead otf, called the raise, and is still to act, that doesn't worry you? That's some of the scariest action I see, when someone is just calling the entire time as others are raising. The only odd thing is his limp pre. With that description I can't see JJ, 77, many nfd's in his range, and he must know even 8d9d isn't too good, probably need one of the non-diamond Ts. I know it's difficult for him to have the two black 4s but that could make sense. It's not HU is my point, as much as we try to range V2, we need to be ranging V1 also. He's the one who seems strongest.

Mostly just because we have absolute position, obviously we don't have much value but can still make 3rdnflshs. We can steal if the opportunity arises.

I'll post more later but for now ill address preflop. I don't really like to iso with this hand. Here's why: when I iso with this hand I lose most of my flush value. People will limp the gamut of suited cards which means we can much more profitably stack off with diamonds in a limped pot. Raising weights made flushes to better ones. We do lose FE by not raising but that's about all we would have had anyway. I rather go multiway cheap in position to look for a chance to stack someone and lower flushes are about the only way to so that.