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Trapping with AQs on a 4 handed table? Trapping with AQs on a 4 handed table?

07-09-2014 , 04:41 PM
1/2 Pot limit table. Only the last four players from the night left. I have a good amount of history with almost everyone there.

Button(400$) - Missisipi stradle 5$
SB HeroAQ (140$) - Calls 5$
BB(200$) - Calls 5$
UTG(1000$) - Raises 20$
Button - Fold
Hero - Raise 60$

The hero is a very solid player but I still figured that I should be good against most of his raising range in a 4 handed game and should feel good about committing with my hand?

What are your thoughts?
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07-09-2014 , 04:46 PM
You have lots of history with them.

What do you think they will commit for $140 with 4 handed? Then you should have your answer.
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07-09-2014 , 04:52 PM
I don't play PL HE ever, so don't know if that changes dynamics here. However, feels like you're overrepping your hand here. Limp-reraises are usually AA/KK, or sometimes AK. You've effectively turned AQs into a bluff, since a very solid player isn't calling with anything that you're ahead of. Think a very solid player folds AJ/KQ here. If you're going to run this type of play, you might as well have 76s or something that at least won't be dominated. With a strong hand like AQs, I just open-raise to 20 or so and play straightforward.
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07-09-2014 , 05:02 PM
I understand that If the Villain pushes all in in this spot I'm flipping at best and will often be dominated but am I not ahead of the raising range often enough here that my re-raise would induce folds often enough for me to turn a profit?
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07-09-2014 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by The5thAce
I understand that If the Villain pushes all in in this spot I'm flipping at best and will often be dominated but am I not ahead of the raising range often enough here that my re-raise would induce folds often enough for me to turn a profit?
Not saying it's not profitable, but not sure it's optimal. The problem is you're giving up a chance to get a hand that easily flops TPTK or TPGK in a scenario in which you'll be happy to get it all in since you're short stacked. If you just open, you can happily get all in on any flop with any A-high or Q-high flop, or any flop with two clubs. Can also take it down with a c-bet a good portion of the time when you miss, or pot control and win with AQ high if V is passive.

As played, if he folds you were ahead, if he jams you're probably dominated but are almost getting odds to call, and if he calls you're at best flipping with a lower pocket pair that he can get away from if an A hits (though maybe not if a Q hits). So, you're winning the $30 in the pot when he folds, but losing a ton when he calls or jams.

You're also ignoring that when you limped UTG you didn't know he was raising. If everyone calls, you're stuck first to act in a 4-way pot with a 7:1 SPR, which is a real shame and giving everyone great odds to outflop you.

Think the real take-away here is that this short you should just play straightforward. With the straddle you have 28bbs, no need to get fancy.
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07-09-2014 , 06:00 PM
Personally, i think its a profitable play. Maybe there are other ways to play it i don't know. You benefit when he folds pokcet pairs and KQ and you don't get bluffed. In a 4 handed game its a profitable play. If you are an extremely good player, may be more profitable ways to play it, but alot of people overestimate their postflop skills especially out of position, so just making a solid play that is probably almost positive chip wise is not a bad thing IMO.
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07-09-2014 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyAggassi
Personally, i think its a profitable play. Maybe there are other ways to play it i don't know. You benefit when he folds pokcet pairs and KQ and you don't get bluffed. In a 4 handed game its a profitable play. If you are an extremely good player, may be more profitable ways to play it, but alot of people overestimate their postflop skills especially out of position, so just making a solid play that is probably almost positive chip wise is not a bad thing IMO.

Certainly not the bold. We love when V comes along with KQ here. He has 3 outs here, and any time he hits a Queen and we do to, we stack him. But shutting hand like KQ/QJ/AJ/AT out of the hand we lose a lot of potential value.

Now there is merit to having a pocket pair fold, as they are giving up equity in the hand and they are ahead, but then it comes down to reads as to if they will pay us off later if we hit an Ace or a Queen, and if we can get more value post flop.
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