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09-07-2015 , 08:36 PM
V is middle aged native American. OMCish and bad.

Hero has TAG image.

1/2 latenight

HH1
V overlimps CO AX(hero only saw one card), BB who raises every hand makes it $12, 4 callers including V. Flop AK. Checked to V who bets $12 and everyone calls. ($114) Turn T. Checked to V who bets 15, 3 callers. River K and it gets checked through. Other dude has a K.

HH2
normal opens are $15+. V opens CO AJ, SB and BB call. ($30) Flop J67, BB bets $10, V calls. Turn brick BB bets $15 and V calls. (80) River club, check to V who bets 30, BB calls.

OTTH

V limps ($900) EP, other limper, hero (covers) raises QJ HJ to $17, station calls on button, V calls, limper calls

($65.50) 8T2 V donks $20, hero calls, button calls

($124) J V donks $20, limper folds, hero raises to $130???, button folds, V calls

($380) 3 V bets $130, hero folds
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09-07-2015 , 10:03 PM
Are you wondering if V had a set? I think very likely. Prob top set on the flop.
He bets very small relative to the flop with big hands. When you raised, I guess he didn't put you on Q9 or 97. I'm kind of surprised he bet river as I would have expected check call given history.
OTF, you have two overs and a gut shot and back door clubs. So I understand calling the flop bet. But you can't raise a nit like this OTT. He bets only with near knit hands. So much cheaper to just call him down or fold.

I've found that some nits are very aware of their tight image and will call down relatively light bc once in the pot, they're wary of being bluffed bc they know they are a target. Not sure if this guy fits the mold but he had two pair plus here.
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09-07-2015 , 10:36 PM
Flop call of the small bet is fine. Turn raise depends heavily on your villain, if he is donk who is likely betting some draw or weak single pair then raising to fold him out is fine. OMC is more likely betting a near nut hand, he may have hit a set on the flop or had 97s and hit his straight on the turn. In any case, as soon as he calls your raise you need to catch your straight to continue. Folding to the river bet is fine, a real OMC never has worse and you probably can't raise him off of it after he called the turn raise.
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09-09-2015 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Dutchstreetfish
Are you wondering if V had a set? I think very likely. Prob top set on the flop.
He bets very small relative to the flop with big hands. When you raised, I guess he didn't put you on Q9 or 97. I'm kind of surprised he bet river as I would have expected check call given history.
OTF, you have two overs and a gut shot and back door clubs. So I understand calling the flop bet. But you can't raise a nit like this OTT. He bets only with near knit hands. So much cheaper to just call him down or fold.

I've found that some nits are very aware of their tight image and will call down relatively light bc once in the pot, they're wary of being bluffed bc they know they are a target. Not sure if this guy fits the mold but he had two pair plus here.
Yeah. I´m sure he had me destroyed from his reaction when I folded. Even against typical stations my sizing was too big. T9 only has 6 outs. I guess raising 1/2 pot is plenty.
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09-09-2015 , 11:59 AM
The turn raise seems horrible unless you've seen villain folding often when his small bets are raised big. The $20 bet is probably good enough implied odds on your gutshot to call though. Agree with river fold for sure.
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09-09-2015 , 05:12 PM
You just turned TPGK with a GSSD. Are you raising as a bluff? Weird line.
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09-09-2015 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold
You just turned TPGK with a GSSD. Are you raising as a bluff? Weird line.
If V was a typical player that doesn't bet straight draws, this is a pretty easy raise with the station behind...I think. 1/2PSB would be plenty.
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09-09-2015 , 08:45 PM
If he's one of those nits who will ask "How much is that?" and instantly call, you'd pretty much f@#$ed. 1/2 nits will show up with sets here a large percentage of the time, but he seems passive enough based on your hand history that he probably doesn't donk his draws into a pre-flop raiser.
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09-09-2015 , 09:12 PM
I meant if V was a typical player, NOT OMCish Nit, a turn raise would be obvious.
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09-09-2015 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
If V was a typical player that doesn't bet straight draws, this is a pretty easy raise with the station behind...I think. 1/2PSB would be plenty.

It's only one pair. If V really is a nit, and dunks the flops into 3 opponents, then conks the turn into 2 opponents, I don't care how small his turn bet is... He's got something, and it is better than top pair.

Since he limp/called pre, it is most likely a set on this board texture. He doesn't sound quite bad enough to l/c with 97.
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09-09-2015 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
I meant if V was a typical player, NOT OMCish Nit, a turn raise would be obvious.
Yes, definitely. I wasn't disagreeing with you on that point.
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09-09-2015 , 10:12 PM
OTT i like pot control so if your going to raise, make it 70-85 otherwise just call. obv. very correct fold on riv.
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