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TPTK Weird spot vs. crazy whale- 1/2 NL TPTK Weird spot vs. crazy whale- 1/2 NL

04-28-2014 , 03:28 PM
So I think I really screwed up in this spot and would like hear some advice or thoughts

History with two villains:
V1: Crazy young Asian player, hero has played a lot of pots against him loves to bet with anything previous night hero had AA villain donk bet hero re raised and villain shoved 450 hero called and Villain flipped over the open ended straight draw. That is super standard play for him, he donk bets most flops and does wild bluffs/semi bluffs
V2: Girlfriend of the crazy Asian she does not bet nearly as much as him but will call with any draw Hero has played multiple hands where she called his shove with a gutshot.

Action:
Pre:
4 limpers
Hero (Bu): AJ Raises to 25 has about 700-800 behind
V2 has 600 left behind and V1 has 400 left both call every one else folds

Flop: 8J10
V2 (Sb): check
V1 (Utg): bets 25
Hero: Raises to 75
V2: Snap calls
V1: Re raises for 105 more
Hero: ????

In this spot I was really at a lost. I felt that V1 would make this move with any draw and there are a ton on the board, but my hand is very vulnerable in such a big pot. I ranged him on having anything from a gutshot straight draw to a set or straight leaning more heavily to the draws. I am debating between all three options here of shoving, folding, or calling I know if I call V2 is coming along as well giving me 1:4 odds. I would like to hear thoughts on what to do here.

Any who I decide I have too much equity vs. his range to fold for a third of the pot and flat.

Hero: call
V2: call
Pot is about 540

Turn: Q
V2: checks
V1: Looks really upset by the turn and checks
V3: ???

Here is where I believe I messed up in my play through but want to hear opinions from other people on what to do. With both Villains checking I was really confused. The card seemed like an awful card for me but it shut down the action from the two players. I know both players will call me light if they have a pair or are on the flush draw/9 gutter ball so I feel like there is some worth in value betting, but at the same time my hand is not very strong and has showdown value. This pot was already way out of control and I had let it escalate way to fast, but I don't want to miss value what do I do here check behind or bet?
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04-28-2014 , 03:40 PM
I don't understand raising the flop with a weak hand on a drawy wet flop. I honestly would call and evaluate the turn. Your hand isn't very much on this type of board.
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04-28-2014 , 03:46 PM
My thought was to take advantage of their love for chasing draws, but I agree and think it was a spewy move
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04-28-2014 , 03:52 PM
$25 is a big raise over 4 limpers in position and you're getting 2 callers, would making it $18 achieve the same thing do you think?

I think that raising a flop this wet is bad, it's sort of a "find out where we are raise" but you're probably getting jammed on a lot and then you have no idea where you are. I like a call here and reevaluate on a turn.

As played, on turn I think we can check back, don't think anything that beats us is folding and we're not getting value out of J7 or whatever.
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04-28-2014 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGramuel
$25 is a big raise over 4 limpers in position and you're getting 2 callers, would making it $18 achieve the same thing do you think?

I think that raising a flop this wet is bad, it's sort of a "find out where we are raise" but you're probably getting jammed on a lot and then you have no idea where you are. I like a call here and reevaluate on a turn.

As played, on turn I think we can check back, don't think anything that beats us is folding and we're not getting value out of J7 or whatever.
I had raised to 15 earlier with AK and got 6 callers hence the huge raise pre, but yeah I really messed this hand up on the flop
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04-28-2014 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Cbrewer4
I had raised to 15 earlier with AK and got 6 callers hence the huge raise pre, but yeah I really messed this hand up on the flop
I'm actually a decently large advocate of a huge raise at a 1-2 table where there are villains who will call massive raises with any two cards (people calling half their stack with Q7s etc), so no issue with that.
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04-28-2014 , 04:25 PM
I prefer to just call the flop.

as played just check the turn.
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