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TPTK Vs. Laggy Fish Super Deep TPTK Vs. Laggy Fish Super Deep

08-03-2014 , 11:01 PM
$1/2

Hero - Probably viewed as super nitty. Completely card dead except for one hand where I 3-bet pre out of SB w/KK and flopped set over set and won huge pot.

V - 40 y/o Indian man. Well dressed with a wedding ring. About once a round he has to wait for the dealer to tell him it's his turn even though his focus is on the table (no Ipod, book, etc). Button straddles baffled him even after they were explain four times. He has trouble verbalizing his raise sizes (maybe because his English is bad). Like he'll say "raise 12" when he means raise 12 red $5 chips= ($60).

Ultra active player. Overall, he's a bad LAG. Here are some highlights:
3 bet 22 pf. Guy donked into him on the flop and he folded face up
Raised pf w j7 from mp, raised big on a 643 flop then checked t + r unimproved
Slowed-played a flopped 2 pair with A9 on dry board
He raises postflop about as much as anyone I've ever seen...and it was working a lot. Guys were consistently folding to his raises. He showed crap whenever he was called.
This one super donkey gave him like $600 in 10 minutes. The other guy was just pushing all-in every other hand and V was calling him with made hands. V has been getting hit with the deck for about an hour (flopping a straight vs KK, rivering trips, etc)
I seemed to be one of two guys at the table he avoided. I'm sure this was because of my nitty image. He folded to my raises + 3-bets (he did this with one other TAG player at the table, too).

So, the stacks are very deep for $1/2 at this point. I've got around $800. He's got well over $1,000.

Hero raises to $15 UTG w AK
V calls on Button (2 other Vs call from blinds)

Flop ($60)
K75
Hero bets $45
V calls
Other Vs fold

Turn ($150)
5
Hero bets $110
V calls

River (370)
J

Remaining stacks are effectively $630
IMO V is capable of firing large with air or a big hand. He's also capable of calling with less than he should.

Hero?

Last edited by jesse123; 08-03-2014 at 11:09 PM.
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08-03-2014 , 11:14 PM
I generally don't like bet-bet-bet lines post-flop OOP w/ just TPTK, although this may be a different case because of your opponent. While you say he is a loose fish, you also say that he likely has been avoiding you because he respects your "nitty" play. I like a check-call pretty much any bet because if he truly does view you as a nit, then he would be less likely to call you with a worse hand, but would likely try to bluff you. No draws got there, so sounds like he might be the type of player to bluff at his missed draws even w/o a credible card.
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08-03-2014 , 11:52 PM
Crap. I forgot about a hand I played with V. So, V wasn't avoiding Hero entirely. He was just playing a little less crazy against Hero.

Hero raised to $15 from EP w AQs
another V cold called
V min raised to $30 f LP

Board of K937 was checked around on flop. Checked around to V on turn where he bet and took it. I suspect he had air, but with other V in and A-high, I decided to wait for a better spot.
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08-04-2014 , 12:00 AM
by checking OTR you give the V the opportunity to bluff the missed draws and V sounds like he might value bet a worst Kx. sucks if V has KJ.
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08-04-2014 , 12:57 AM
Grunch

Props for giving us hand histories that the V has played, but they're not very clear. You almost have to format them like little HH posts. So when V 3bet and open folded what did he have? Did he raise in the J7 hand, how did he play the Ax hand post flop? What types of players was he playing against?
I'm sorry to bash your post when it's 20x better than the usual posts in this forum, but it seems like your thinking about images correctly and on track to be a perfect poster if you can tweak a couple things. I hope you take this constructively and pay it forward.

OTF your sizing looks great for a value Cbet.

OTT I may size my bet a little smaller, but looks good. His range is still likely very wide until he calls the bet.

OTR he basically has Kx connected and busted FDs. So when you bet there's no value to be had from the FDs except those that had a J in them, which really shouldn't call after you triple barrel anyhow. So I'd size to get a crying call from Kx. Maybe $120ish-$150. Whether or not this is a bet/fold depends on Villain tendencies that you haven't really communicated.
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08-04-2014 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Open Limp
by checking OTR you give the V the opportunity to bluff the missed draws and V sounds like he might value bet a worst Kx. sucks if V has KJ.
I don't think this Villain is going to bluff at us (or value bet thinly) after we raise PF and fire 2 streets, but then again whether or not the V understands our image is not clear.
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08-04-2014 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by BuffaloHound

OTR he basically has Kx connected and busted FDs. So when you bet there's no value to be had from the FDs except those that had a J in them, which really shouldn't call after you triple barrel anyhow. So I'd size to get a crying call from Kx. Maybe $120ish-$150.
That's exactly what I was thinking. I knew he wouldn't call a more normal 1/2 to 2/3 size river bet of say $200, but I was thinking if I threw out $75-$125, I would get a call from a weak king.

This was such a unique V, I was trying to include a detailed description, but I knew I didn't do a good job. This guy was unlike anyone I had played against and I didn't do a good job of communicating his peculiarities.

He actually was the rare V that was capable of bluff-raising the river. With the stacks so deep, I didn't want to get blown off my hand, so I wound up checking with the intention of snap calling up to $200. If I had bet $120, he legitimately could have moved all-in on a bluff.

I was trying to weigh getting some juicy river value against an ATM villain vs. getting bluffed off what was likely the best hand. I had never been in a situation with TPTK on the river and still so much cash left behind.

Both of us checked the river. V showed QQ. So, I definitely left a lot of money on the table by checking; but he could have trips or he could have bluffed me off my hand.
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08-04-2014 , 04:55 PM
Considering your image...

I think the line may or may not have left some money on the table. If he perceives you as nitty and ABC...he very likely will figure himself beat on the river and give up to the third barrel. If he has missed draws (or even something like TT-QQ)...he could still might take a shot on the river and you aren't at a tough decision for your stack.

I like the idea of check/calling on river for pot control...hard to get 3 full streets of value from somewhat thinking, capable agro players with just TPTK....even harder when the deck has been hitting them.
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