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Old 05-07-2013, 05:29 PM   #1
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TPTK on super wet board?

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Villain 1: White male. Seems to be one of the better players at table, but I would not call him good. Has huge leaks, such as calling $50 3-bet with 9T suited and having only $150 behind, calling $120 all-in preflop with AJ off, etc. Seems to be standard 1/2 fish, but capable of some thinking.

Hero: Straightforward tight-aggressive player. First time at this particular home game. Bought in short twice. Is playing scared money.

$1/2 NL home game (7 handed)

SB Villain ($150)
BB
UTG Hero ($300)
MP
MP2
LP
Button

Hero is dealt AQ

UTG Hero raises to $10, folds around, LP calls, SB Villain calls, BB calls.

Flop ($40): QT7

Villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets $20, LP folds, Villain 1 calls, BB folds.

Turn ($80): 9

Villain checks, Hero checks.

River ($80): 2

Villain goes all in for $120. Hero?
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:36 PM   #2
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

This situation is no place for half pot bets. Bomb the flop hard.

As played, river is going to be a fold quite often unless you have some extenuating circumstance or read that V would turn a hand like QJ or 8x into a bluff.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:41 PM   #3
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

can definitely tell you are playing scared money based on your sizing pre and otf.

more pre, you don't want this going multiway when your playing from ep.

definitely more otf with this extremely draw heavy board.

ap, i'm also checking turn and folding to the river shove
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:45 PM   #4
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

Bet/fold the turn.

Checking behind on the turn is better when you have a redraw (like the Ah) and don't want to get blown off it.

Unless you're sure the Villain is bluffing, you should fold the river.
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:48 PM   #5
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

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Bet/fold the turn.

Checking behind on the turn is better when you have a redraw (like the Ah) and don't want to get blown off it.

Unless you're sure the Villain is bluffing, you should fold the river.
V definitely seems spewy, i.e. will bet the river with worse. If he b/f the turn, does he just stack off on blank rivers?
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Old 05-07-2013, 05:54 PM   #6
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V definitely seems spewy. If he b/f the turn, what does he do on the river, assuming V calls?
If Villain calls a turn bet and shoves river, I'd probably fold although it's pretty close since the river bet isn't that large now. If Villain checks river, he looks pretty weak after checking three times. I'm betting if I think he'd could have KQ or QJ. Otherwise, I'd check it back.

I like betting the turn here because typically they're going to wake up right there and let you know if they have you crushed. Most won't smooth call a turn bet here with a big hand.

Most importantly, there are so many worse hands he's going to call you with on the turn.

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Old 05-07-2013, 06:39 PM   #7
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

raise more pre, villains will happily call $20 without blinking.

Bomb the flop with the plan being to shove all non-heart turns.

I hate the turn check. Bet turn and then check back river

As played, fold river.

The mistake was made on the turn. Whenever we make a mistake and show weakness and then villain blasts us on the river we don't know if V is betting because we showed weakness or is he betting because he is nutted...

So we start leveling ourselves thinking, "I showed weakness therefore if he had a real hand he would bet smaller to extract value so I'm going to call..." and then we call and villain shows us the nuts and we feel stupid...

Just play straightforward. Bet flop, bet turn and if raised on turn we can fold. come river most villains at this level are trappy trappy and will go for a check/raise on river and you can just check back river and get to showdow. But if he leads out on river you can THEN fold and have confidence in the fold because you showed strength on flop and turn...
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:46 PM   #8
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

TOTALLY didn't realize we were IP (because I'm dense).

Still need to bomb the flop.

NOW I like b/f turn, check back the river.
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:54 PM   #9
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

Flop bet sizing is way too small.

TPTK 4ways with this wet board needs to bet minimum 30-35 here.

AP turbomuck river.
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Old 05-08-2013, 01:50 AM   #10
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Re: TPTK on super wet board?

Thanks for the advice guys. Just a little clarification, Hero in this hand is a friend of mine, and I was just trying to see if I gave him the correct advice about this hand. I told him to bet bigger on the flop and bet the turn, and fold to a turn raise or river bet. Seems like you guys agree with me.
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