1/3 crown melbourne

V: 20ish years old. absolute fish will lead out multi way action with bottom pair and sometimes bluff with no equity for example betting turn with K4s on a 10973 board no spades. have also seen him fast play a flopped set on a JJ108 board and forced someone to laydown kings and showed 88 for boat. but overall this is the guy everyone wants at the table.


Hero 20yo is playing very solid only bluffed a couple of times in an 8 hour session and won both times due to my image other than that only playing hands in position and folding hands like KJ pre from EP. I assume i have a tight image, but obv villain doesnt pick up on that.


Eff stacks 350

V is in cutoff, Hero is in MP1(UTG +2).

Hero limps with AhQc planning to l/rr because 90% of hands pre have been raised, sadly turns out everyone but one is going to see a flop.

Flop Q2Jhhh (24)

UTG leads for 13, UTG +1 calls, i make it 45, V just flats in the cutoff, others both call.

Turn 9c (204)

checks to Hero, i lead for 110, cutoff jams for 310 so 200 more. hero?????

Raise $18-20 pre. Stop trying to play fancy. As played, c/c to river and c/f river if your hand doesn't improve. You're almost always likely behind here when someone shoves when so many people saw the flop.

This is a terrible hand to L/rr with.

Why are we betting turn if we aren't going to stack off? Gotta have a plan. I hate limping pre and I definatley don't like the turn bet. We can check behind with tons of equity and see a river in position.

So pre open for a raise. Bet flop, turn is a bad card as hands that were behind can catch up. You found yourself in a spot were you have no clue where your at and are stuck with a impel math problem now. Depending on what you range villains for, likely 2 pair plus. Call 200 to win a pot of 800 so now getting 4/1 I am sigh calling with a draw to the nuts. But you got yourself in a terrible spot.

l/rr is a tactic I don't use very often, but when I do I need a better reason than just because a lot of hands have been raised. If that's the case, better to lead out, then when it gets back to you, you can decide if calling's best, or repop.

Flop's good, but don't like the turn bet. You tried on the flop, and got three calls. Unless these are complete maniacs, you can't figure TPTK is still good here, especially when the straight card comes in. You're probably gonna need that flush now, so best to check along, and hope for a free look at the river. This main vill seems to be one of those players who would shove/raise, but not shove/bet if he gets checked into.

Now that he's CRAI, hope you lose some callers, and call it off. If it's just the two of you, your TPTK just might be good here even if the NFD doesn't come in. With more callers, then it probably isn't.

Preflop is tricky with this hand at a loose / raisey table. With the suited variety I'm all for limping in and actually fairly ok with seeing a very multiway limped pot due to it's great multiway properties. But with the unsuited, I'd really like to narrow the field, and yet at the same time I'd rather not play it OOP, especially if I'm going to have a hard time narrowing the field, and it seems *perhaps* a bit to weak to limp/reraise unless against the right opponent. At some tables I just err on the side of caution, limp in, and play very passively / cautiously postflop.

I would probably just call the flop. We don't want to go broke in a multiway limped pot with just TPTK, and if we start getting in some serious money on the flop then we're most likely getting it in only with a flush draw (so a big dog); for instance, how happy are we if someone wants to play for stacks on the flop (answer: not happy at all). We fear no draw. Let's just call with our good odds in position and see what happens.

We've now built a hugely monster pot on the turn and yet we remain at just one pair in a 4way pot with 3-to-a-flush on board. Hint: We have nowhere near the best hand at this point. I would check the turn and I'm not sure I can even call a bet because my implied odds probably ain't great (unless someone has the 2nd nut draw). As played, we're only getting 3:1 to call the shove, so we've fallen short of the odds we need to call for flush purposes (even moreso if you consider it is likely that 1 or 2 other villains probably also called the flop with a flush draw). Is our hand likely to be good now against this bluffy/****** villain? Dude did just shove stacks into 3 opponents on the turn (and we know he can't be doing this with the nut flush draw).

We really overplayed our hand on the flop/turn, and now are in a crappy spot. I probably call just to penalize myself for my play.

ETA: Regarding preflop, my number one pet peeve with most HH is, "I raise, I get 5 callers, so off to the flop we go...". If a raise ain't gonna thin the field / setup an easy SPR where we are happy stacking off (even multiway), then I'm fine with the limp.

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If I've read things right, I think we're being asked to call ~$200 to win just ~$600 (so just 3:1). Agreed, really sucky spot we've gotten ourselves into.

Limping AQo in EP is a fine line, no need to justify it with the L/R plan. In 90% of the tables I play a decent (5xish) open here would take down the blinds or get 4+ callers. Neither of these scenarios appeal to me. But in order to profitably play the hand this way you need to be able to easily dump it post flop and be able to read boards/hands/bet sizing better than most, and not convince yourself that you're under repped later in the hand. I'd have no problem with the L/R plan if you weren't as deep as you are, and were able to squeeze against a wide open with multiple callers to an amount that was AI or obviously committed you to the hand. OTF I'm not really crazy about your raise size. Either call along getting great odds to draw or make a properly sized semi-bluff. As played you make it like $32 more into $60. Everyone's calling this. If you had position I'd have no problem with your sizing since we have TPTK to go along with the draw.

Fold. Vs range includes 4 combos of QxTh/8h, 6 combos each 2p Q9/J9o, 4 combos of KhTx. that you hold Ah blocks most pair+FD that continue EXCEPT naked Kh9x.

AP best-case you need 4-1 to call (9+2)*2=roughly 20% (hearts, two remaining A). Not counting Q as V can have some Qx. (likely hearts are fewer too).