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03-06-2017 , 01:46 PM
1/2 NL, 10 players

utg: $400 <Lag>
mp (Hero= A k): $400 <Tag>
hj: $400
co: $500


preflop: utg limps, hero raises to $12, hj callls, co calls, blinds fold, utg calls

flop ($51): 5 7 K
utg checks, hero bet $17, hj/co folds, utg raises to $34, hero calls.

$15-$17 is my normal c-bet on rainbow flops.

This is the 1st time villain has done a min cr so I have no idea what it means.
maybe like me, he has the same view of rainbow flops when you have a good hand?

Turn ($119): 2
utg checks , Hero bets $70, utg raises to $170, Hero folds


with a double check raise, I put him on 57.

What would you have done on the turn when he checked?
And do you agree with my assessment of his hand?
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03-06-2017 , 02:09 PM
Just a very rare line that usually is super strong in general. I can see him showing up with 55 or 77 here, or rarely even 57s or K5s. I think betting the turn is fine, usually a flop checkraise of that size is going to be a bluff and in some cases a King.

Usually this is a 3 street value hand, so when you get minraised on the flop then checked to on the turn you're going to be betting most of the time.

Keep in mind he basically check raised the turn for 85bb on a dry flop/dry turn. You should give him credit unless you've seen otherwise.

Last edited by scant; 03-06-2017 at 02:32 PM.
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03-06-2017 , 03:14 PM
After the flop check raise on a board with basically no draws, I am checking back the turn.
We are in way behind way infront scenario, by betting we fold out bluffs and are only getting called or raised by value hands.
I would Check back the turn, then call a river bet, or if villan checks again, then I bet
Also I know you gave reasons for your sizing but with this hand I would be betting more, not massive maybe 25-28 ish.
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03-06-2017 , 03:40 PM
I'd bet flop bigger, probably $30-40.

As played I call the flop min-raise.

I check back turn and call most rivers if bet into, and bet most rivers if checked to.

As played fold to the second check raise. No idea what to range him on but it just looks super strong, so figure he has two pair+ and maybe something like 8h6h or 6h4h.
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03-06-2017 , 07:26 PM
Readless on a bone dry board that smashes our range, I expect the flop X/r to be value and thus our turn bet is usually over playing our hand. Checking back controls the pot, allows him to sometimes overvalue worse Kx on the river and allows us to occasionally get there v's. 57 K7 hands. But again Readless from an utg limper I expect 55 77 a lot here.

On this flop texture i'd specifically have to have seen villain over value one pair otf to bet again ott.
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03-06-2017 , 09:29 PM
thx all for your replies.

but if you had a set, why would u check the turn now that a flush draw is possible?
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03-06-2017 , 10:40 PM
More on the flop. Check back the turn after his flop min-raise and suspicious turn check. Plan to call most river bets or bet yourself if he checks again.
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03-06-2017 , 10:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AA Suited
thx all for your replies.

but if you had a set, why would u check the turn now that a flush draw is possible?
Because two hearts make up a very small % of his flop c/r range. The board looks wet but it really isn't.

Bet the turn if you have set. Your hand is strong enough to gii. You would beat TPTK, two pair, and potentially other sets. You'd also block other set combos.
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03-06-2017 , 11:08 PM
Sorry, but my pet peeve of the month is people using the term LAG and TAG incorrectly. The "AG" stands for aggressive. An aggressive player is mostly raising or betting, not limping or calling. Maybe he was mostly raising and this was a rare limp on his behalf, but I suspect that you mean that he's just loose. True LAGs are very rare in 1/2 games.

So why is this important? If he was a real LAG, alarm bells should be going off in your head when he limps in the UTG. Your first thought should be he's trying to trap with a monster like AA or KK. If that was the case, you'd want to fold. However, since he is just a loose passive player, a raise is in order.

On the flop, a min-raise polarizes his hand into monsters or draws. On a dry flop like this, there are few draws, so he likely has a set and is praying that you won't be able to fold your obvious AK (the hand everyone puts their villain on). His c/r worked so well that he decided to do it again on the turn. Notice this time it isn't a min raise any longer.

If I was playing really well and I knew this was a loose passive player, I'd fold to the raise. Passives never raise without the near nuts. Against the rare actual LAG, I'd call the min-raise on the flop and check the turn. If he hits his runner-runner FD, good for him.
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03-07-2017 , 02:04 AM
Your flop c-bet is too small. Your normal c-bet should be a percentage of the flop, based on the board texture and the number and tendencies of your opponents; it shouldn't be a fixed dollar amount. Here, I like a bet of $25-ish -- 50% of the pot on this dry flop.

As played, I'd probably rely on reads. Unfortunately, you don't give us any reads in this post. How old is villain? How is he dressed? What's his ethnicity? Is he drinking?

I probably fold the turn. Most players won't check-raise top pair two times. He's usually ahead of you here.
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01-17-2018 , 01:26 AM
+1 possible hand: 89
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