Hi all,

$1/$3

Hero so far this session Hero has been playing very snug. All players surprisingly have respected my raises along with my 3b, which is important for this hand. Started to get deep so have been opening more of my suited Aces in late position and started to squeeze a bit more. Main Villain (V1) is MAWG sunglasses and giant headphones and has rebought twice so far and is playing very loose along with him being tilted at the moment. V2 is a MAWG has been playing with hero for about 4 hours now, solid reg. Has self admitted since he started to get deep that he has been chasing draws and playing a lot more loose. OTTH

9 handed
Hero $650
V1: $178
V2: ~$600

V1 is UTG and limps, limps to V2 in MP1 who also limps. folds to Hero in CO and I raise to $18 with ATh. Folds to V1 who flats the $18 as does the other three players including V2. To this point this raise size has been working fairly well for me, but perhaps I size up a bit more? I am not concerned with V1 at this point because his range here could be any suited connectors or suited Ace, maybe KQ-K9 suited. He has bluffed a few times and got caught which led him to tilt away his first two buy ins. V2 I put on a strong suited hand or perhaps weak pocket pair looking to set mine. Through this session I have known him to donk into the pot when he flops a drawing hand I am guessing because he is afraid of missing, even when he has a lot of showdown equity with top pair etc.

Five ways to the flop
Pot $94

Ts7s3c

Checks to V2 who bets $40
At this point I put him exclusively on a draw, most likely a suited ace. I tank for ten seconds or so and call. At this point I feel confident with top pair with him drawing and if an ace hits I could see him thinking he is good and still betting into me. Was this more of a raise situation with three players to go? I wanted to keep V1 in the hand and the other Villains not mentioned are super nitty so I assumed they fold or call with a better hand and we reassess. Maybe I misplayed this? Anyway V1 jams the rest of his stack in $160 and it folds to V2. V2 tanks for a little over a minute. To me this screams flush draw. he keeps looking at me than my stack and eventually folds to me. We have to call $120 to win around $450, I dont think I am ever folding here. The flatting my raise and the check jam on the flop, especially since I called V2s $40 make me think he is trying to push me off. I dont think I am over valuing my hand against this particular Villain, I call. Thoughts? Really interested in what you guys think.

By your description, V1 can have a pretty wide range here. By the time it folds to him, he's essentially committing himself with a call, and with so many others in the pot, and an SPR of about 1 at his point of action, he is shove/folding a lot of hands. Even a set has no reason to slowplay here when there's so many draws. But his shoving range does include a lot of draws as well.

So many gutter + flush draws that he will want to shove. Added bonus if he can fold out a better flush draw by shoving in this case. His only chance at getting fold equity is by shoving flop here. If he calls $40 here, he's 3 ways or more with less than 1 SPR. His shove scares nobody. So if he misses his draw on the turn he's going to have trouble winning the pot. Mathematically it makes a lot of sense for him to call his draws, but if thinks y'all are weak (which is very likely on this board), then shoving is probably more profitable than calling.

He has TT, 77, 33, T7. You severely block TT and decently block T7. He shouldn't have 73... but it is 1/2. Then he's got tons of FD's. Most of his FD's have some extra equity from a gutter (45ss,46ss,J9ss,J8ss). 89ss for the godly combo draw, or from 1-2 overcards. Then he's also got tens. 7T-AT. He's got JJ, possibly QQ. I struggle to see how he flats QQ+ pre here, considering how much money is in the pot pre when action falls on him to call your $18 PF raise. Flatting with AA, KK, even QQ here is a terrible play. It's 1-3 so you can't rule anything out, but they should at least be less likely. And you do block Aces.

Lastly he can also have 89 here. If he feels he can fold you all out, then

I think if you took that range and plugged it into Flopzilla or whatever, I imagine you'll find it's a slightly profitable call.

So there's been 4 limps to us with the first limper likely going to call a raise? Pretty easy overlimp for me in this case as I just don't see a raise cutting down the field here (the only point of a raise in this spot, imo). Pretty happy playing this hand in a high SPR pot in position for it's multiway value rather than it's very meh TP value (where we often limit ourselves to dominating hands when raising).

Basically preflop has setup a very awkward postflop spot. We have an SPR of 6ish against the deeper stacks (stacks can go in trivially in 3 streets, and even in just 2 streets with a couple of slight overbets, and yet gave awesome IO of 37+), and meanwhile stacks can go in super trivially against smaller stacks like V1 with just an SPR of ~2 (and while admittedly poorish IO of 14+ we're rarely thrilled with the TPs this hand can make).

I'm ok with the flop flat. I'd like to get some more information on later streets / other players before putting my 200bb stack at risk any more than it has too.

Now that's it just us and the small stack, I think it's a trivial commit on this drawy board, especially against a tilted guy on a multiple BI.

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