TPTK facing river shove
09-30-2014
, 12:39 AM
$1/2
I just sit down at the table and observe the second half of a hand V is involved in. There's about $40 in the pot and 3 players in the hand. The board is KT76 rainbow. UTG bets $30. V raises to $100 from MP. CO cold calls. UTG folds. River is a 2. V puts CO all-in with a $150 river bet. CO calls. V shows KJo to take the pot.
V is a 35 y/o Indian guy with a mountain of chips in front of him. The only read I have on him is the partial hand from above. This hand took place two hands later:
$300 effective stacks. V covers.
Pre-flop
V limps UTG
Hero raises to $15 from UTG+1 with A
K
5 other callers
V calls
Flop ($100)
Q
7
2
Checks around
Turn ($100)
K
V bets $90
Hero calls
River ($280)
2
V shoves for $195
Hero?
I just sit down at the table and observe the second half of a hand V is involved in. There's about $40 in the pot and 3 players in the hand. The board is KT76 rainbow. UTG bets $30. V raises to $100 from MP. CO cold calls. UTG folds. River is a 2. V puts CO all-in with a $150 river bet. CO calls. V shows KJo to take the pot.
V is a 35 y/o Indian guy with a mountain of chips in front of him. The only read I have on him is the partial hand from above. This hand took place two hands later:
$300 effective stacks. V covers.
Pre-flop
V limps UTG
Hero raises to $15 from UTG+1 with A
K5 other callers
V calls
Flop ($100)
Q
72Checks around
Turn ($100)
K
V bets $90
Hero calls
River ($280)
2
V shoves for $195
Hero?
Last edited by jesse123; 09-30-2014 at 12:54 AM.
Reason: put in river card
09-30-2014
, 12:56 AM
would help to know what the river card is.
Regardless, I think if were calling the turn here, we have to call most rivers with all but the most disgusting cards like J. Especially given the hand above where V proves to us that he overvalues TP-meh kicker type hands.
The hand basically plays itself pre and OTF - once we get 5 callers pre we have to basically nutmine or we valuetown ourselves. Hence, why I think the turn might actually be a fold. I mean, once V leads the turn is he really going to check the river and let us check behind? Do we really want to get stacks in in a 5-way raised pot on the river with just one pair?
My biggest leak is that im a calling station, so I call river as played and being honest with myself I play the same way and call turn and river at the table. But I think its -EV and the turn is a fold.
Regardless, I think if were calling the turn here, we have to call most rivers with all but the most disgusting cards like J
. Especially given the hand above where V proves to us that he overvalues TP-meh kicker type hands. The hand basically plays itself pre and OTF - once we get 5 callers pre we have to basically nutmine or we valuetown ourselves. Hence, why I think the turn might actually be a fold. I mean, once V leads the turn is he really going to check the river and let us check behind? Do we really want to get stacks in in a 5-way raised pot on the river with just one pair?
My biggest leak is that im a calling station, so I call river as played and being honest with myself I play the same way and call turn and river at the table. But I think its -EV and the turn is a fold.
09-30-2014
, 01:06 AM
Jam turn. We already know he's aggro and will happily push stacks in with TP 3rd kicker at least, he's much more likely to give you no credit for a made hand after you check flop and turn brings a FD -- a common leak for aggro players is to overplay weaker hands because they assume they're ok if you're drawing. He could have worse Kx, Ax, JT, 98...
x, JT, 98...