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12-01-2017 , 08:36 PM
Playing 1/2NL home game.

Hero is 20yo white male with TAG image, been at the game for 4-5 hours and running hot, mostly nut-peddling.

Villain 1 is 30yo white female, very social, claimed at the beginning of the night to rarely -if ever- get out of line, though showed a large river bluff that got through. Estimated 35-40% VPIP, not the greatest player.

Villain 2 not too relevant, basically same specs as hero.

Hero stack ~$900
Villain 1 ~$220
Villain 2 ~$700

Action:

PRE.
Hero opens AQo UTG to $12. Villain 1 calls in MP, Villain 2 calls in LP, all others fold.

FLOP -$39- QJT (rainbow).
Hero cbets $25, Villain 1 calls, Villain 2 folds.

TURN -$89- QJT7.
Hero checks (argument for betting, AQ is top of checking range). Villain 1 bets $25, Hero calls.

RIVER -$139- QJT77.
Hero checks. Villain overbet shoves for ~$175. Action on Hero?

Will answer any further specific questions about images of players, dynamics of the game, etc.
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12-01-2017 , 08:41 PM
Has Villain 1 shown any slow playing before this hand?
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12-01-2017 , 09:06 PM
Not that I've taken note of, no. Though I don't think villain was ever in a position to slowplay judging from the hands shown down until that point. Blank slate
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12-01-2017 , 09:12 PM
Check flop
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12-01-2017 , 09:12 PM
Her river bet is very polarizing as she should be just checking back the river with her medium strength hands that have showdown value. Therefore, she will almost always have a very strong hand on the river or a bluff. As a bit of a homework assignment, figure out the total # of combos of strong hands she has and then add up the total # of combos of bluffs she can have. Then compare those %’s with your pot odds and that will give you your answer to whether you should call the river or not.
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12-01-2017 , 10:55 PM
I would bet a little less on the flop. You’re against tons of pair plus draws with strong equity and a number of combos of two pairs.

I want to play this hand a lot slower than you do on this super wet board.

River is close but I lean fold.
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12-02-2017 , 04:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stathi21
Playing 1/2NL home game.


Villain 1 is 30yo white female, very social, claimed at the beginning of the night to rarely -if ever- get out of line, though showed a large river bluff that got through. Estimated 35-40% VPIP, not the greatest player.
This board crushes alot of two pairs and straight draws that would be in both Villains PFC range. Saying that she showed a large river bluff that got through, I'm wondering if she has overbet shoved the river with a value hand? If not, she doesn't seem to be balancing those river shoves. Originally I probably fold here, but if she is not balanced and only shown to bluff here, you might be good here 39% of the time but it's close
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12-03-2017 , 09:41 PM
Definitely entered my thought process. With 1.3-1.4x pot left behind she's hardly in a jam/check situation, can definitely go for value with her stronger hands. Her river bluff earlier wasn't an overbet to my recollection but it was still pretty substantial. Between no agression on the flop, underbetting the turn and insta-shoving the river (within 2-3 seconds after my check) despite it being a bad card for her range, the line certainly seemed weak enough.
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12-03-2017 , 09:45 PM
Don't see how I can play the hand any slower than I did. Aside from perhaps sizing down on the flop by $5 or so, I played it as passive as I could have. Despite the wetness on the flop TPTK still crushes their overall PFC range, can't automatically assign them monsters, and I have solid backup equity in a Q or K peeling off regardless. Flop seems like a mandatory bet.
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12-03-2017 , 10:50 PM
If you called, I would love to hear the spoiler if no one else posts their thoughts
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12-03-2017 , 11:36 PM
Sure thing! I'll post in a couple hours if I remember (I did call)
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12-04-2017 , 02:08 AM
SPOILER
Yep so anyway, I tank called mostly for the reasons I outlined above. One of those weird instances where I thought her sizings told just as much of a story as her actual line, if not more so. She sighs and shows J9 for middle pair and an open-ender that she decided to turn into a bluff for some weird reason. Gg
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12-04-2017 , 01:55 PM
V took a pretty strange line.. She obviously has something after calling pf and the flop bet. The turn bet was pretty strange to me. Bets less than a third pot, which feels like she is either drawing to a straight and wants to grow the pot slightly but not too much, or she flopped a monster and is trying to get thin value after your Cbet, then check.

The river bet really polarized her range. So it's close.
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12-04-2017 , 08:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stathi21
SPOILER
Yep so anyway, I tank called mostly for the reasons I outlined above. One of those weird instances where I thought her sizings told just as much of a story as her actual line, if not more so. She sighs and shows J9 for middle pair and an open-ender that she decided to turn into a bluff for some weird reason. Gg
Interesting hand to turn into a bluff. In my experience when Villains are unbalanced on river over bets it's usually the opposite. All value but not enough bluffs, if any. Nice call! I wonder if she will adjust in the future or this is a good read to use later
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12-05-2017 , 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stathi21
SPOILER
Yep so anyway, I tank called mostly for the reasons I outlined above. One of those weird instances where I thought her sizings told just as much of a story as her actual line, if not more so. She sighs and shows J9 for middle pair and an open-ender that she decided to turn into a bluff for some weird reason. Gg
My initial thought was JT for two pair and wanting to push you off a Q or AA/KK because of the counterfeit river. Good call as the line did not make sense for value.
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