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04-02-2013 , 04:04 PM
Hero is sitting in LP with 200$ and have been card dead since he got to the table, about an hour ago. Someone opens from EP to 8$, MP calls, I call with AK, given the fact that I have not played a pot for a while I doubt anyone would of given me action if I 3bet, and BB calls.

Villain: In the BB, just got to the table 2 orbits earlier and sat down with 200$. Last orbit, he called a raise in the blinds, check/raised and called a jam with flopped trips, 78 on T88, vs an EP opener in a HU pot. We can assume he fastplays the top of his range. Besides that, villain is completely unknown to me and he has not played any other hands. He looks TAG so far and is sitting with 115$ after loosing the above hand vs a boat.

Flop (32$): A33

Villain (115$) leads out 15$, it folds to hero (190$) who calls. Any thoughts on raising here to value worst aces?

Turn (62$): Q

Villain (100$) bets 25$, hero (175$) calls.

River (112$): 6

Villain goes AI for 75$, hero folds...

I don't really like my line. It doesn't make sense to fold on a blank river but I didn't see that villain had a small stack and would be able to smoothly jam the river. Is this a spot where I should call turn and river if it blanks or just call flop and fold turn? I believe he leads flop with a made hand since we are 4 way therefore he either has an ace or a 3. Were should I let go this hand if I had to? Thoughts? Ty.
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04-02-2013 , 04:41 PM
fold, he never bluffs total air in a multiway pot, and you beat nothing. flushes, 3s, AQ, A6 are all in his range, you beat not one realistic value hand in this spot, and he should almost never bluff with total air oop in a multiway pot.

calling turn/folding river is kind of an exploitable play, but you rarely get exploited at 1/2 anyway, so i have no problem with that.

3bet pre, btw. if no one gives you action, still a nice result to collect dead money preflop with AK.
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04-02-2013 , 04:59 PM
Preflop: Reraise to $28ish. Taking the pot down now with no pair is fine EVwise, so the fact that you think you won't get action isn't a problem.

Flop: As played, raise to $50ish total and call a shove. It's one thing for a guy to call a preflop raise with 87s, but there just aren't a whole lot of hands that contain 3s that people will call with preflop. If the stacks were deeper you could get more creative, but you have a very underrepresented tptk and there's too much money in the pot already relative to the stack size to do anything else but try to get the $ in.

Turn: As played, I would also call. Even though the turn card sucks, the bet is tiny and you've got too much hand to fold.

River: Fold. Your opponent has represented a lot of strength, so by this point you have to give more credence to the possibility that he flopped trips or got there on the turn.

Just my opinion...
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04-02-2013 , 05:02 PM
3bet pre

an hour of live poker is approx 30 hands...hard to gather too much info

if he likes his hand then he will play it regardless if the "nit" raised or not

raise flop
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04-03-2013 , 03:36 AM
AK within an hour of playing? Dude that's like a heater to me. You made the entire hand difficult to play not 3b with a Value hand in LP. The villain was also in BB...he could have ATC.

He's probably not leading out with a flush draw on the flop into action behind him. If he had the 3 he'd probably check to see if anybody is going to put any money in before he snaps it? He probably has a mediocre Ace in this case. Or flopped a boat..lol.

When i 3b with AK, i almost never want action. Im fine with taking the pot down pre. Just cause you're not making any money during that hand, it'll probably set you up for a big score later in the session. That is if your patient enough and can manage your chips.
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04-03-2013 , 03:46 AM
Id guess villain had the flush. His bet OTF could easily be blocking/ juicing. Raise/fold the flop IMO.
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04-03-2013 , 03:47 AM
3 betting preflop does help this hand become a bit easier to play. Also based on the information you give us we dont' have enough information to say he's a "Tag", we don't have very much info other than one hand where it sounds like he got unlucky or got it in vs the overfull (might induce him to be on tilt). There are plenty of players that go on tilt and don't show it until they get post flop and decide to try to barrel through people or jetison their stack. In either case my point is, given the above information, we can't rule out he spazes out sometimes. He might have KK, and just out of desperation turn it into a bluff on the end, who knows.

At these limits, folding flop is a mistake and so is raising because it lets him fold worse and call with better. The turn puts us behind A,Q and I suppose hearts but hearts doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If our original read is tag... why isn't he check raising hearts and trying to get his stack in on the flop or turn with a fd. Donking into a preflop raiser here feels like AJ, AT or maybe worse. Since last time he flopped trips he check raised and if he's folding a fair bit not many 3's will be in his preflop range and even if he has a 3 it looks like he'd be check raising. On the river what are we really afraid we're losing to? I think we have to call and expect to be good more than often enough at this limit given how this hand was played.
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04-03-2013 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Grigory
Id guess villain had the flush. His bet OTF could easily be blocking/ juicing. Raise/fold the flop IMO.
Raise fold? What are we raise folding for? What about when we raise flop and get CC... I think calling is okay because I don't think he's donking a FD into 3 other people including the PF raiser... I think raising is fine here but not with the intention of folding... if he has AQ,AJ he just got to the table doesn't know who we are. He can convince himself we have hearts and try to just shove all in thinking his ace is good.
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04-03-2013 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PerpetualBliss
AK within an hour of playing? Dude that's like a heater to me. You made the entire hand difficult to play not 3b with a Value hand in LP. The villain was also in BB...he could have ATC.

He's probably not leading out with a flush draw on the flop into action behind him. If he had the 3 he'd probably check to see if anybody is going to put any money in before he snaps it? He probably has a mediocre Ace in this case. Or flopped a boat..lol.

When i 3b with AK, i almost never want action. Im fine with taking the pot down pre. Just cause you're not making any money during that hand, it'll probably set you up for a big score later in the session. That is if your patient enough and can manage your chips.
I agree with all of this except why do you never want action when you are three betting with AK? This is a leak... I understand you never want bad action but I want AQ snap shoving over the top of me all the time. Or a worse Ace to call and take a flop with me etc....
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