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02-14-2014 , 05:45 PM
3-5 500 spread limit at Casino Arizona
Hero has been playing pretty tight and only shown down good cards. Villain sat down about a 1/2 hour ago. When he went to take the open seat, another regular got up and said, "no I'm taking that seat because I can't have you(the new player) on my left."

The villain proceeded to play pretty aggressive and raised a fair amount of pots before this hand.

Effective stacks are 400 and villain has me covered. I have A J in the small blind. Villain open limps in middle position, one other limper and I raise to $25. BB folds, Villain calls, and limper folds.

$55 in the pot and Flop is J 7 6

I lead out for $40. Villain makes it $120. What do you do here?

If I call, I have $255 left.

Last edited by venice10; 02-15-2014 at 01:25 PM. Reason: Mods can edit posts
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02-14-2014 , 06:05 PM
Tough one. He could have an Ace, maybe 2 pair. 2 hearts, suited connector. Villain is aggressive so it wouldn't make sense that he has AK or AQ or even a suited connector for that matter since he limped in. It could be middle Ace or flush draw. This is a wet board so I would tread lightly on this one. Feel like you have two options here. You can fold or shove. You calling essentially commits you to this hand because if you feel you are best now, it might be tough to get away from after you have committed another $80 to this hand.
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02-14-2014 , 06:08 PM
This is not TPTK...

Is the villain good or is he spewy? I want to just call him down here (pretending to hesitate) unless the 5 or the like appears.
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02-14-2014 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Vee Quiva
3-5 500 spread limit at Casino Arizona
Hero has been playing pretty tight and only shown down good cards. Villain sat down about a 1/2 hour ago. When he went to take the open seat, another regular got up and said, "no I'm taking that seat because I can't have you(the new player) on my left."

The villain proceeded to play pretty aggressive and raised a fair amount of pots before this hand.

Effective stacks are 400 and villain has me covered. I have A J in the small blind. Villain open limps in middle position, one other limper and I raise to $25. BB folds, Villain calls, and limper folds.

$55 in the pot and Flop is A 7 6

I lead out for $40. Villain makes it $120. What do you do here?

If I call, I have $255 left.
Sorry guys, I made an error. The flop was J 7 6. For some reason I can't go in and edit my post.
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02-14-2014 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Vee Quiva
Sorry guys, I made an error. The flop was J 7 6. For some reason I can't go in and edit my post.
shove vs aggro V
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02-14-2014 , 06:22 PM
haha..well that changes everything!

I like your post flop bet. He raised you, made it 120, on what I would say is a draw. Pocket pairs, suited connectors, face cards, etc, I feel like he would raise preflop.

I think you could either 3-bet to $250 or shove. I don't think he has a set so my only fear is 2 pair and the only option would be 76. Would he really call a raise to 25 with J7 or J6? I cannot see that.

I shove here and get him off the draw
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02-14-2014 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by adammatthew21
haha..well that changes everything!

I like your post flop bet. He raised you, made it 120, on what I would say is a draw. Pocket pairs, suited connectors, face cards, etc, I feel like he would raise preflop.

I think you could either 3-bet to $250 or shove. I don't think he has a set so my only fear is 2 pair and the only option would be 76. Would he really call a raise to 25 with J7 or J6? I cannot see that.

I shove here and get him off the draw
If I shove its $255 for him to call in a pot of $555. I'm not sure that is going to force him off a draw. In fact its giving him pretty good odds if he has some kind of combo draw. Plus he folds KJ, QJ, JT, J9 to my strength.

I called. I felt like I was ahead and I wanted to see what he did on the turn. I usually like to play passive against aggressive players and let them hang themselves. The turn was the 3 and he put me all in. He looked pretty comfortable, in fact he yawned about 5 seconds after the bet.

Do you still call?
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02-14-2014 , 08:01 PM
Man, yawning while in a $300 pot just seems so fake. It makes me want to snap-tilt-call him. He could be leveling us but I think it's unlikely.

Again, we have to figure out if he is spewy and will bet all of the streets as a bluff or if he usually slows down after the flop.

It totally looks like his draws missed. If he's spewy it's a call. Hell, even if he's a smart LAG that yawn makes me want to call him anyway. I think it's very likely he's on a draw, and his equity went down a lot on the turn and he just wants to push you out with a semibluff so he doesn't have to make a "real" bluff on the river. (A lot of fishy LAGs think this way.)

Of course he has sets and 2prs in his range, but on this board he has way more draws.
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02-14-2014 , 08:26 PM
calling the flop and folding to a blank is probably a mistake, only 45 gets there, if you were going to fold turn you should have just folded flop
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02-14-2014 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by adammatthew21
haha..well that changes everything!

I like your post flop bet. He raised you, made it 120, on what I would say is a draw. Pocket pairs, suited connectors, face cards, etc, I feel like he would raise preflop.

I think you could either 3-bet to $250 or shove. I don't think he has a set so my only fear is 2 pair and the only option would be 76. Would he really call a raise to 25 with J7 or J6? I cannot see that.

I shove here and get him off the draw
its a raise (shove in this case) or fold here

its not the worst spot to shove
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02-14-2014 , 08:47 PM
Shove flop if not call turn jam.
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02-15-2014 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MackCorl
Shove flop if not call turn jam.
+1

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02-15-2014 , 01:58 PM
We need ranges. Sets of 7s and 6s are in his l/c range pf. There will be some 76 hands in his range, so lets add 76s (other than hearts). Based on that, how many FDs does he need to be raising us with to make a shove/call EV? We can ignore over cards, he isn't l/c those.

If he is l/c raising flop with all Axs below AJs, we only have 32% equity. If we add KJ and KQs, we're still behind. When you add that he knows exactly what we have (TP, OP), we don't know what he has, he's got position and gets decide how much further the hand goes, this is an easy fold, even if we are beating most of his range. The reason is that our lead is narrow when we are ahead and we are crushed when we are behind.

So that leaves folding or shoving. If we shove, the pot moves to 550 and he needs to call 255. Super easy call with a FD and he only folds his air. Better never folds.

Therefore, this is a fold.
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02-16-2014 , 12:23 AM
fold flop, his range is big draws and hands protecting against big draws that have you practically drawing dead

every now and then a fish plays KJ for everything here but that's just 1 hand
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