hero-23 year old indian guy ive been kinda active and ive usually won when i went to show down, ive made a few 3 bets where i re raised small opens in position. 400$ CO

V-he is definately a rec player he called me 3 streets on a A85r board 9 on the turn and 2 on the river with a pair of 9s i bet 21 into 36 than 38 into 78 than 60 on the river into 154. hes been calling preflop more than he should. 100ish MP

v2- he is a older guy hes capable of barreling a few streets with air and he generally knows how to beat 1/2 in my opinion.he usually has it when hes doing the betting, he gets alot of respect at the table cause hes old as dirt. 200 HJ

2 limps to V who makes it 5 (hes been doing this alot, but also makes it 12 sometimes) 2 callers to me and i bump it up to 25 with AK( what do you think of the reraise??)

flop A103 pot-80ish
checks to me and i check back( i almost always bet and wanted to be a little deceptive)

turn J V bets 20, V2 calls 20 , Hero???? should i raise or call.
i wasnt sure if raising was over playing my hand.

Not sure I follow your logic in checking behind on this flop.

You have created a big pot with AK and flopped what you wanted, you should be trying to get all your chips into the middle unless the board or action somehow changes that plan.

Checking the flop is bad and you should feel bad.

Based on your description of V1, isn't it a clear bet/bet/bet line for value?

Why do u need to check for deception when the villain is oblivious to what you are doing or representing?

I usually always bet a flop like this, so i wanted to also have strong hands in my range when i check the flop. was doing it for balance but balance isnt really needed at these games

Preflop is good. There is a decent sized pot already because of limpers and the 2 calls on the raise so you need to 3 bet big.

On the flop the SPR is small so you don't need a bet/bet/bet line to get all in, so in that regards it is good for slow playing. Against a single villain I would check this occasionally. However, with 2 villains and a board that isn't super dry I would not mess around, bet $60. With such a low SPR I might slow play this against two villains if the flop was garbage like A73o and I knew checking might induce a bluff on the turn.

As played, the jack is a bad card. It helps a lot of the plausible calling hands preflop, some of which beat you and some don't and you have no idea where you are now. If it was just 1 villain I would be fine raising, against both I probably just call and see if I can get to a cheap showdown.

Don't like checking this flop vs 2 other villains. It's hard to get 2 streets of action if/when a 3rd club falls. Also, I'm not super happy with a Q or J on the turn/river either.

Bet flop, and I also don't mind making pf 3b slightly bigger for value.

don't like flop check at all. you said it yourself: balance is not that necessary. this is 1/2, not 5/10.

As played, that is a pretty bad turn for us. I am probably calling and trying to get to showdown cheaply unless we improve to Broadway.

+1

Checking the flop is bad, you shouldn't check the flop, mmmmmK? If you do check the flop, you're bad.

The reason is simple: you're offering a free card, i.e. infinite implied odds. When you're multi-way, it's twice as bad.

Return to paragraph 1.

Hate flop check. Call turn now. Kind of sucks for them to see river so cheap, but you did it to yourself.

+1

Why even bother posting such drivel?

Maybe he'll listen? And yet you gave a +1 to Merlin the mind reader:

Yup, perfect. I started my own post, but this says it all.

Only question is when would we "check this occasionally" vs a single villain? I'd very rarely check this flop. For the variables I'd consider - I might check it against someone who has a very wide pre-flop range (lots of combos such that Ax is a small %) who I know can fire bluffs with air later streets if I check back. Otherwise, I don't expect a check on ATxcc will get me future value from non Ax hands; checking may even lose value against Ax when a club, K, Q, or T comes in making possible straights and flushes (20 cards) and spooks villain off of his one pair hand.

I do totally agree that A73r (though let's make it A83r even to avoid the low gut shot straight draw) is an OK board to check back the flop more often in certain situations and with certain stack sizes. That said, more often I'd check back A83r with a hand like A5... one of the worst possible top pair hands with which I don't think I can make 3 streets of bets and still have the best hand. With AK, I think you generally need to bet for value and target worse Ax unless stack sizes support 2 easy bets (turn + river) to an all-in and the board is fairly dry.