V - MAWG, played with him the day before and he was playing super solid picking his spots very well. Today on the other hand, he was tilted having lost a few medium sized pots and limp/calling junk and limp/folding fairly frequently. Overall though i know he's a solid player and that he knows that i play a straight forward TAG game. stack - $350

Hero - 20 y/o playing TAG have only shown down one hand since being at the table and that was as soon as i sat down everyone limped and i look down at AA in the BB, i have a $95 stack at this point - $5 for time charge, i lolshove and i get a caller and double up. Other than that i haven't really shown down many hands. stack - $450ish

Hero limps KQo UTG+1 (i normally fold this hand oop but decided to play) 7 limpers including V on the button.

flop (21) Q 9 4ss

checks to me, i lead for 35, everyone folds and V flats.

turn (91) 2s

V leads for 45, hero????

Playing KQo in EP occasionally isn't bad at most tables, but if your going to do it raise. Getting into a 7 way limped pot is exactly what you don't want.

As played, you bet into a crowd on the flop so your hand looks strong. But then you check the turn when the flush comes in. This is a great situations for villain to bluff, but also a great one for him to value bet a flush because he knows your likely to call down after betting flop. If he has been limping a lot pre but not getting aggro post, I would just fold. Your near the bottom of your value range here and with that many villains to flop the chance that somebody out flopped you or called with a flush draw is high. If you think he is aggressive enough to be bluffing, then you can call and either make a blocking bet or check/evaluate most rivers.

First off if V is on the BTN why did you check.

Could be a mid Queen, could be Ax for flush.

Fold pre. There is nothing good coming from open limping KQos in EP.

I just don't think he's ever calling a near 2x pot bet with a FD. He hasn't been getting very aggro post.

I checked to re-evaluate. The turn is indicative that position is everything in poker and i should have folded pre with that junk.

You are right sir.

Bet flop and turn for value. As played call even if we don't have the Ks. Obviously preflop was terrible.

This HH is unclear. What position is the Villain? Also, knowing the suits of cards is helpful.

If he hasn't been getting aggressive post flop and you don't think he chases a flush on the flop then the situation is very murky. If you don't think he would chase a flush here, then bet the turn. Once you give up the initiative here, villain could be betting for value, betting a worse hand for value or straight up bluffing. Given his range as a whole, you probably beat more then you lose to, but a lot of the worse hands are not going to bet turn. How you fair against his betting range is really unclear.

You can call here and check/evaluate most rivers or just give up here. Your just going to have to make an estimate of how many bluffs and worse hands he could be betting here and go with it. If you do call turn, plan on calling most rivers. In these unclear situations calling turn and giving up on river is usually mistake, most villains who will bluff turn will continue on river if you check to them.

Sorry, no spades.

Well i only have showdown value at this point so plan on keeping the pot small and x/c.

I think i gave V too much credit here that he would never call a x2 pot bet with a FD. So i jam and he tank calls with K10ss. I guess that hand makes sense in hindsight. He knows how tight i play and i wanted to use that to my advantage, i got him to tank so i guess it wasn't the worst play in history.

A call on the turn could be a good play here? I am fairly certain villain will have a flush when they check call, then lead the turn. By calling you can evaluate him on the river. From what you describe the chances of him betting super thin value on the river or betting worse on the river is almost none. So if villain checks the river your probably good, any type of bet should be insta muck

$100 max. buy-in?

Villain is in position.

200 is max bi. i'm buying in for 100 atm due to my roll. Will soon be buying in for 200 though you can read my pg&c thread for more detail.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-live-1452364/

I do not like the check...he bets and you have no idea where you are. Of course the play pre was not that great but your play is pretty indicative of your nitness. I would rather bet here and get raised followed by a fold, than check/call OTT and either check/fold--check/call---or defensive bet OTR. We can polarize much easier...even if V calls turn it may go check-check OTR because he fears our strength betting into 3 flush cards and the possibility of getting check/raised.

KQo can probably be played all 3 ways in EP. If a raise will likely narrow the field, fine. If table is passive and a limp will likely see a cheap flop, fine. And there's probably no harm in just folding and moving on, especially if table is raisey / difficult. I'm fine with the limp.

In eleventeen way pots, I typically just check here in EP and see what the world does. If any action breaks out behind me, I can just fold for cheap as I wasn't really trying to see a flop just for TP here this many ways. We also way overbet the pot, which just builds a huge pot OOP when we don't really want to.

Turn is a simple fold, imo. One of the only draws got there and there was no guarantee we were good on the flop with him continuing to this overbet.

If we're going to limp in and see an eleventeen way flop (which I'm ok with), we should be playing TP very cautiously/nitty and ready to dump it pretty quick, imo.

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